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re: Tulsa Officer NOT guilty in shooting death of Terrance Crutcher
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:25 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:25 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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Tulsa Officer NOT guilty in shooting death of Terrance Crutcher by LSUFAITHFUL
Please bump that thread where we all said she would walk.
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:26 pm to TutHillTiger
Honest question, What does that have to do with anything?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:55 am to LSUFAITHFUL
quote:More like him putting his hand on the car was just an excuse for the cops to get their jollies off.
She knew she had a gun. She has not disputed that. He reached in the car and she fired her gun and her fellow officer fired his taser at the same time. They are trained to not wait for him to pull his arm back out. If they do, they pay for it with their lives. Her back up officer testified that if when he pulled up she would have only had her taser drawn, he would have pulled his gun and would have fired it at the same moment.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:47 am to LSUFAITHFUL
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The protesters were passionate, but peaceful, according to News On 6 crews in the field. Many chanted "Hands up, don't shoot," and "No justice, no peace."
Hands in car, don't shoot!
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:08 am to Sao
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I expect cops to know why they're shooting.
Because he reached into his vehicle after being told to stop multiple times.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:52 am to lsuhunt555
In the minds of these people, it's not OK to shoot until the guy has the gun in his hand and has started shooting at the police. Even then, the police are expected to give verbal warnings, a couple of Taser shots and maybe ask nicely if he will stop. The fact that the officers may get killed is purely secondary.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:15 am to LSUFAITHFUL
What if the guy is hard of hearing? or a tourist from another country and doesn't know English very well? or just plain stupid? Could the guy have been any one of those? How does a cop know if any of these apply? Would the shoot be good if any of these applied?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:42 am to mauser
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What if the guy is hard of hearing? or a tourist from another country and doesn't know English very well? or just plain stupid? Could the guy have been any one of those? How does a cop know if any of these apply? Would the shoot be good if any of these applied?
You realize the cops had their guns drawn for literally minutes if I remember right before the shots were fired right?
Cops have guns drawn, perp takes multiple steps backward from being completely behind the vehicle to now being at the drivers window all while the cops have their guns drawn and telling the perp to stop and comply. Perp puts hands in vehicle.
Perp is shot in a good shoot.
I'm honestly not sure what else the cops were to do here? Outside of risk getting shot themselves.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:52 am to Sao
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Honestly getting pretty sick of almost no one being at fault for this type of outcome.
she was found not guilty...is that not good enough?
Moral of the story is don't get high on PCP and not comply with police commands
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:57 am to mauser
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What if the guy is hard of hearing? or a tourist from another country and doesn't know English very well? or just plain stupid? Could the guy have been any one of those? How does a cop know if any of these apply? Would the shoot be good if any of these applied?
Those are jury questions
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:57 am to Topwater Trout
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she was found not guilty...is that not good enough?
Luz...of course not.
DOJ Will not bring charges. "We want Justice!"
Jury of 12 people including 3 AA's Acquits "We want Justice!"
Basically, this crowd just wants people thrown in jail when they want them thrown in jail.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:59 am to baldona
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I'm honestly not sure what else the cops were to do here? Outside of risk getting shot themselves.
The crowd angry at this one simply wanted the cops to get shot. Nothing more.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:02 am to brass2mouth
Sounds an awful lot like our rules of engagement in the ME does it not?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:23 am to LSUFAITHFUL
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. If officer reasonably fears for their life, they can use deadly force
Does that extend both ways? If a person being arrested is hit in the head by a cop can they legally shoot based on the justification that he feared for his life?
It sure seems to me that cops are held to an entirely different (and much lower) standard than the rest of us
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 7:24 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:36 am to lsuhunt555
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Jury of 12 people including 3 AA's Acquits "We want Justice!"
Can't please these people
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:44 am to lsuhunt555
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Basically, this crowd just wants
The crowd does not have the mental fortitude to grasp the concept that Johnny down the street shooting Jimmy over a drug deal is not the same as Officer John shooting Jimmy when Jimmy is not complying and reaching for what very well could be a weapon.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:56 am to bmy
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Does that extend both ways? If a person being arrested is hit in the head by a cop can they legally shoot based on the justification that he feared for his life?
That is likely not reasonable fear for your life. My sister used to hit me in the head all the time as a kid...doesn't mean I could have shot her.
Would all depend on the context, but if person being detained is not complying with being detained or arrested, police can use force. Perp can't use that lawful force as an excuse to fight back. 1. Because resisting arrest is a crime and 2. In most states you can't be the initial aggressor and then try to avail yourself of self defense.
And yes, there are different standards when dealing with police. If police have reasonable suspicion they can detain a person, even if that reasonable suspicion turns out to be wrong. They are really the only members of society that can do this and people must comply. this is the trade off society has made for safety and rule of law. Most people are fine with this.
Criminals and snowflakes are the only ones that seem to have a problem with it. And they will continue to dislike the outcome that results from their unlawful resistance and escalation of things to a point where the officer fears for their life.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:00 am to OldManRiver
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I honestly believe she didn't realize she had her gun and thought she was firing her taser as wel
How the hell you mistake a florescent yellow taser from your duty issue? The amount of training cops go through with there guns is nauseating. She couldn't have made this mistake, if she did then she deserves jail time.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:11 am to mauser
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What if the guy is hard of hearing? or a tourist from another country and doesn't know English very well? or just plain stupid? Could the guy have been any one of those? How does a cop know if any of these apply? Would the shoot be good if any of these applied?
If deaf or can't speak English, you can still see a gun pointed by a police officer for the 2 minutes before he was shot. Reasonableness is tested by all of the circumstances, not facts that you choose to make up to make it seem less reasonable.
If that's the game we are playing...what if he did actually have a gun? What if he actually had a bomb detonator in there? Or had killed an officer before? What if he told the officer...bitch I'm going to get my gun to kill you?
Those what ifs don't matter in this case, because they didn't exist. So neither do your what ifs.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:12 am to AwesomeSauce
You cannot try to reason with a segment of the population that is anti-establishment. Their reasoning is based off the foundation of a lack of respect for authority. It's the generation of timeouts for bad behavior, everybody gets a trophy, sue the poor bastard who dents your fender SJW, give shite to me I don't have to work for BS. Everything's an argument with this crowd. They have nothing better to do. Ah, the grass is not green, I can prove it....There are a thousand what-ifs, but their opinion is jaded and they take snip-its and make assumptions without all the facts. This is an argument you will never win. Explaining facts and reality does you no good cause their belief foundation is piss poor. Really not their fault, likely an inept parenting job early in life....Either way, none of these liberal word twisting experts has ever had that enormous responsibility to a position or a group of people where the split second decisions they made affected so many lives around them, most importantly their own. It's SO easy to armchair what somebody else should've done, but it's typical of this group...it's expected...it's to be ignored...same people getting their arse beat by some shite missle on PCP would be wanting to sue LEO for a 5min response time. It's all about personal decisions! Take PCP or not? Do exactly the opposite of what I'm being told by a person with a gun and a badge or not? HE chose, not her....He suffered the advertised consequence of his decision....jury of 12 said not guilty, one would beleive that's enough! But alas, not so fast my friend here comes more reasons because the end result does not satisfy them, so let's change the rules and play more what ifs....it's really sad...
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