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re: TS Elsa - Heading off to the NE, Then Shut the Tropics Down for a Couple of Weeks

Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:04 am to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:04 am to
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Obviously, future track is a big deal but if this misses the islands to the south then it will also be passing over some of the warmest water. It tracks through the islands then it comes out weaker and into cooler waters.

The trend with the GFS has continued to shy closer to Jamaica than Haiti/DR, with the center shooting the gap between the two. The warmer SSTs would seem to support the GFS not weakening even if it clips Jamaica. How consistent it has been with that part of the track is of note.

This is going to be a really good test for the GFS this season. It has been pegged on that general track for a while now with none of the crazy track shifts.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:06 am to
Interesting fact from Philip Klotzbach of CSU, there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71321 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:07 am to
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Interesting fact from Philip Klotzbach of CSU, there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.

There's gotta be something to that. I'm sure someone will study it.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:08 am to
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Interesting fact from Philip Klotzbach of CSU, there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.



Hello darkness my old friend...

You know what else is crazy? Elsa is blowing away the record for forward motion of a hurricane in that part of the basin. Pretty sure it was already moving about as fast as a TS ever has in the region too.

quote:

There's gotta be something to that. 


Conditions good enough for a Cane before the windwards in early July generally could only be for a few reasons and all of them are uh...hurricaney
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 11:10 am
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
25975 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:32 am to
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Interesting fact from Philip Klotzbach of CSU, there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.


I'm just not sure that studying 6 seasons will yield much of anything definitive with such a small sampling. I look forward to the day that weather and atmospheric science is more exact. Until then, I guess it's theories galore.

But then how boring will it be when they know within a week or more out an exact landfall?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:35 am to
Nick
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21018 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 11:56 am to
New recon in the system.

Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
32092 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:00 pm to
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NWS Key West
@NWSKeyWest
#GOESEast visible satellite loop showing an organizing Hurricane #Elsa affecting the Windward Islands with heavy rain and strong winds. A NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft is currently investigating the hurricane.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:02 pm to
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Hurricane #Elsa


Wait..its a hurricane now?
Posted by jkylejohnson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:02 pm to
Really hope she makes a big push east.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:03 pm to
Pay attention much??????

Yes it is and is hauling arse….
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:05 pm to
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Pay attention much??????



no I typically dont pay attention to storms until they enter The Caribbean or GOM
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
25975 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Pay attention much??????


Your use of punctuation is disturbing.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:10 pm to
Now that looks a lot more realistic.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:11 pm to
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Interesting fact from Philip Klotzbach of CSU, there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.

It doesn’t taking passing a 4000 level Tropical ATMS class to know if a hurricane forms in this part of the basin this early in the season you’re gonna have a bad time.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216037 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:14 pm to
Ok neither do I…… but some of these so called weather geeks on here go into panic mode once a storm forms no matter how far away they are…
Posted by Mr Clean
Power I-Formation
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:18 pm to
Can we get a

Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36157 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:19 pm to
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there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
42860 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:22 pm to
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Interesting fact from Philip Klotzbach of CSU, there are 6 previous seasons that recorded an early hurricane in this part of the basin and all 6 were hyperactive.


Not at all surprised. They needed a big hurricane season to distract from poor economic news.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21018 posts
Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:25 pm to
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12z GFS is weaker with no real strengthening before running the system along Cuba.


Looks like the 12z global models are much weaker but they do seem to show a stronger Atlantic ridge later on vs. earlier runs, which was a pretty constant model bias last season.

Whatever the global models are seeing (or not seeing) the 12z HWRF isn't buying it and is stronger and a bit south of 06z.



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