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re: Trimming the Fat in Louisiana Higher Education (Aside from SUNO)
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:24 am to lsu777
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:24 am to lsu777
Southeastern needs something like ~90 kids a year more to graduate to have a graduation rate of 35%, let's not act like 35% is so much higher than 31%.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 12:36 am
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:29 am to saint amant steve
4-Year Institutions with 6-Year Graduation Rates
LSU 61% $460,510,841
Louisiana Tech 46% $94,259,391
UL-Lafayette 42% $120,128,743
McNeese 35% $58,162,657
Southeastern 31% $103,256,518
Grambling 30% $43,307,769
Northwestern State 30% $66,002,923
Southern-B.R. 30% $62,651,413
UL-Monroe 30% $67,001,032
Nicholls State 29% 50,665,586
UNO 21% $93,893,502
LSU-Shreveport 20% $24,944,257
LSU-Alexandria 12% $14,660,369
Southern-New Orleans 8% $16,372,466
Oh my this doesn't supports the OTs reasoning for wanting to shut down Grambling and Southern.
#BayouClassicMatters
Volod would be so proud of Southerns Stats.
LSU 61% $460,510,841
Louisiana Tech 46% $94,259,391
UL-Lafayette 42% $120,128,743
McNeese 35% $58,162,657
Southeastern 31% $103,256,518
Grambling 30% $43,307,769
Northwestern State 30% $66,002,923
Southern-B.R. 30% $62,651,413
UL-Monroe 30% $67,001,032
Nicholls State 29% 50,665,586
UNO 21% $93,893,502
LSU-Shreveport 20% $24,944,257
LSU-Alexandria 12% $14,660,369
Southern-New Orleans 8% $16,372,466
Oh my this doesn't supports the OTs reasoning for wanting to shut down Grambling and Southern.
#BayouClassicMatters
Volod would be so proud of Southerns Stats.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 12:31 am
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:34 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Honestly...any school which fails to graduate 7 out of 10 students should be shuttered permanently.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 2:26 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Volod would be so proud of Southerns Stats.
I am proud of SUBR. But as I said before, SUNO does need to shut down. It is not even protected by Title 3, so what gives?
I always knew that SUBR could compete with NW state and McNeese.
This list proves my point, outside of the 1st tiers, SUBR is a decent school. But it's branches serve no practical purpose anymore.
Eta : sorry I forgot the no SUNO part.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 3:54 am
Posted on 2/16/16 at 7:51 am to saint amant steve
bump
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:08 am to FreddieMac
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I had a 19 ACT and earned a PhD.
What field?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:09 am to CptBengal
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Honestly...any school which fails to graduate 7 out of 10 students should be shuttered permanently.
If that was the case there would not be a single university in Louisiana.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:34 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:
LSU 61% $460,510,841
Louisiana Tech 46% $94,259,391
UL-Lafayette 42% $120,128,743
McNeese 35% $58,162,657
look at McNeese go
i love how MSU is such a popular option to close down when it's significantly ahead of SELU, NSU, ULM, Nichols, UNO and the 2 NLA directionals
clearly the discussion should start with SUNO and LSU-A. neither of these institutions can even claim the "economy" excuse
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Some are blatantly obvious. What people are talking about is functionality
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:38 am to Hammertime
what do you mean "functionality"?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Basically how it benefits the community (students) and what purpose it serves as compared to other schools. They could be graduating 35%, but have a bigger, more well equipped school 10 miles away. In that case, the functionality of the school drops significantly.
Just looking at one metric is definitely the way a government employee would go about trimming things up if forced to. There are probably 10 other legitimate factors that should be considered before closing a school.
I brought it up yesterday, but what does the state do with a piece of property that needs to be maintained, and no one will buy?
Just looking at one metric is definitely the way a government employee would go about trimming things up if forced to. There are probably 10 other legitimate factors that should be considered before closing a school.
I brought it up yesterday, but what does the state do with a piece of property that needs to be maintained, and no one will buy?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:13 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Honestly...any school which fails to graduate 7 out of 10 students should be shuttered permanently.
If that was the case there would not be a single university in Louisiana.
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It was a poorly structured sentence and ambiguous comment.
Like you, my first thought was, no state college has a 70% graduation rate. But after a moment's reflection, I realized that the point he was trying to make is that no school graduating 30% or less should exist.
Colleges in major urban areas may have more "non-traditional" students and part timers enrolled. That can skew the 6 year graduation rate metric, which may be why it was pushed out to 6 years in the first place. I think this is probably part of UNO's problem.
It took me 8 years to get my undergraduate degree. I wasn't in school for all 16 semesters, worked the entire time, changed my major, and finished with ~180 hours, but it did take me 8 calendar years to graduate.
Honestly...any school which fails to graduate 7 out of 10 students should be shuttered permanently.
If that was the case there would not be a single university in Louisiana.
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It was a poorly structured sentence and ambiguous comment.
Like you, my first thought was, no state college has a 70% graduation rate. But after a moment's reflection, I realized that the point he was trying to make is that no school graduating 30% or less should exist.
Colleges in major urban areas may have more "non-traditional" students and part timers enrolled. That can skew the 6 year graduation rate metric, which may be why it was pushed out to 6 years in the first place. I think this is probably part of UNO's problem.
It took me 8 years to get my undergraduate degree. I wasn't in school for all 16 semesters, worked the entire time, changed my major, and finished with ~180 hours, but it did take me 8 calendar years to graduate.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:32 am to Hammertime
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Just looking at one metric is definitely the way a government employee would go about trimming things up if forced to. There are probably 10 other legitimate factors that should be considered before closing a school.
performance is the #1 metric for 1 of 2 reasons: (1) either the school has failed or (2) the school is taking kids that we shouldn't be draining state funds [and let's be clear, if the kids aren't graduating, especially in high numbers, that is a massive drain on a program like TOPS]
the next metric should be a mix of population in light of proximity to other universities
those 2 reasons are why SUNO, LSU-A, SELU, and Nicholls are such easy targets in these discussions. all are poor performing schools that have plenty of other schools in proximity to the location (LSU, Southern, and UNO for the SE schools and NSU/Tech for LSU-A) to absorb the functional students of those schools. SELA also has a metric frick ton of community college options
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Correct, it should be based on performance and cost to the state per student first which should include proximity to another similar performing 4 year school. then the market it serves which includes and should be focused on the main industry it supports not just population
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
It's only 78 miles from McNeese to UL-L. What's your definition of proximity?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Graduation combined with incoming students' statistics should be calculated together. I could easily go 1/2 mile away, and probably go from a C/D student to an A/B student without any personal changes. It's because that shitty school is much easier.
Graduation rate is important, but if you have really stupid, lazy people coming in, your stats will naturally be lower. Idk why there aren't standard minimum GPA and standardized test scores, but that would be the only way to fairly compare schools based on graduation rates
I'm in class right now, so I'll try and type up the criteria I believe closing or drastic reductions should be based on when I get out
Graduation rate is important, but if you have really stupid, lazy people coming in, your stats will naturally be lower. Idk why there aren't standard minimum GPA and standardized test scores, but that would be the only way to fairly compare schools based on graduation rates
I'm in class right now, so I'll try and type up the criteria I believe closing or drastic reductions should be based on when I get out
Posted on 2/16/16 at 10:16 am to NIH
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The ACT requirements should be 22-23+ across the board
On the fence about this. While I agree, I know I only made a 24 or 25 (I honestly don't remember, so it was probably a 24
). I was in gifted classes and got an engineering degree. I don't think that score accurately reflects my ability to learn. What it reflects was a kid who was lazy, didn't study, and decided to not take the test after his first chance at taking it since I got into any school I wanted to go to. I think I personally could have done much better, so it makes me think there are probably a lot of kids making 21's that could pull out a 23 if needed, but never had to and don't. In that respect, I don't think it'd be a bad thing. But on the other hand, I think there are plenty of people out there who are smart, but are severely underprepared due to the schools they attend to master the ACT. The first year of college catches them up quickly (all my first year classes at LSU seemed like remedial classes).
Posted on 2/16/16 at 10:31 am to saint amant steve
There are 6 schools from Alexandria north thst are 4 year, public universities. A total of 5 of those are at 30% or less. Maybe we need to shutdown some northern schools, increase the requirements to get in, and everything will look better.
And, oh btw, those 5 schools had a cost of over $200 million. Shame, shame.
And, oh btw, those 5 schools had a cost of over $200 million. Shame, shame.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:25 pm to White Roach
Im not sure what it should be but i know mcneese cost less per student, has a better grad rate, higher average starting salary and serves its area better thatn selu, nich.,NW and ulm and 78 is alot further than those schools are from the next 4 year university.
Mcneese should not be immune from cuts, what i am saying is lets look at it objectively not rush and say ull is in swla so close mcneese. First ull is in central south la, second 78 miles is much further than many other schools and 3rd mcneese is a better school by pretty much every measurable metric.
I attended lsu for 3 years and then mcneese. Mcneese is comparable as far as engineering goes, not sure about other things.
In the end its should be based on cost per student to the state and performance of the school, everything else is second to those.
Mcneese should not be immune from cuts, what i am saying is lets look at it objectively not rush and say ull is in swla so close mcneese. First ull is in central south la, second 78 miles is much further than many other schools and 3rd mcneese is a better school by pretty much every measurable metric.
I attended lsu for 3 years and then mcneese. Mcneese is comparable as far as engineering goes, not sure about other things.
In the end its should be based on cost per student to the state and performance of the school, everything else is second to those.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:42 pm to saint amant steve
I'm curious as to how this data compares to states like Mississippi or Arkansas. How many public funded institutions are in those states and how do the numbers compare?
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