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re: Trial set to begin in murder of Austin Metcalf by Karmelo Anthony; Verdict is GUILTY

Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:12 pm to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:12 pm to
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He or she said Karmelo wouldn't have listened to a white adult but the coach of Memorial was AA, making that statement irrelevant.


You said the murdered victim should have gotten an adult. Not the coach, just an adult.

So now you’re saying he needed to only get a black man. I’m not trying to get you in a gotcha. I’m saying you’re excusing a murder because Karmello has no self control, respect for human life, or impulse control, by stating the murdered victim should have left the place he belonged to go pass off responsibility to an adult.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 5:14 pm
Posted by cptigger
Nola
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:14 pm to
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They absolutely polled when they first got in there, elected a foreman, ate lunch and then made small talk for a little while.


I was on a jury a while back for a 2nd degree murder case. We got to the jury room mid morning and had a verdict within an hour. Dragged it out a little while so we could get lunch.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:14 pm to
Just a general comment on this thread. Some of y'all are giving the Karmelo supporters too much of a voice. frick those people. They're a small minority, and you're letting them get to you. Even liberal Reddit is overwhelmingly saying this was the correct verdict and it was an open and shut case.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:15 pm to
You know, your stupidity wouldn't be so noticeable and off putting if you weren't so cocky about it.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23931 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:16 pm to
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Just a general comment on this thread. Some of y'all are giving the Karmelo supporters too much of a voice. frick those people. They're a small minority, and you're letting them get to you. Even liberal Reddit is overwhelmingly saying this was the correct verdict and it was an open and shut case.


Some of the agitators and their claims are just so over the top that it's laughable. I just watched a video of one of those black women screaming outside the courthouse about how jurors were laughing after the verdict and the judge falling asleep during the trial. Just straight making shite up.
Posted by Witty_Username
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:16 pm to
Assistant DA on sudden passion argument:
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Assistant District Attorney Dewey Mitchell spoke to the jury regarding the prosecution's position on the sudden passion argument.

"Something unique happened when we were all in that big room," Mitchell said, referring to the courtroom. "There was this sense of a bunch of people just wanting justice to be done. Y'all are the product of that. To me, it felt like a community."

Mitchell spoke about how, during the trial on Thursday, witnesses described Karmelo as a son, a student, etc. He reminded the jury that Austin Metcalf was also a son, a brother, and "the type of man who believed in people."

He mentioned that Austin was "full of testosterone... a big guy... and oh, that didn't apply to [Karmelo Anthony."

Mitchell told the jury that the defense will talk about Karmelo's age in their arguments, and he urged the jury to consider Austin's age as well.

"Nothing you do with your verdict, no matter what it is, nothing will take more from Karmelo and his family than he took from the Metcalfs," Mitchell said. He explained that Austin will never get to meet the love of his life, hold his graduation plaque, or have children.

The jury was shown photos from the track meet showing coaches performing CPR on Austin on the day of the stabbing.

According to NBC 5's Maria Guerrero, Austin Metcalf's mother was seen weeping in the courtroom. Other members of the public on the Metcalfs' side of the courtroom were also seen crying.

"This is not about vengeance," Mitchell said. "It's not about leniency, either."

"In Collin County, what's the price of taking a life?" Mitchell asked.

"There are going to be bleachers at stadiums in Collin County where parents are going to watch their kids play. One of the reasons we're in the community we live in is because we feel safe," Mitchell said.

"By giving a fair justice verdict, my prayer is that's how we find healing," Mitchell said.

Defense's argument:
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Following Mitchell's statement, Mike Howard spoke to the jury regarding sudden passion.

"I cannot, will not, stand here and say what the right verdict is," Howard said.

"I have stood here in front of many juries in my career," Howard said. "Some big, some small, and I've had this conversation many times. It's never easy for me."

"I couldn't begin to tell you what the right thing to do is in this moment," Howard said. "You will know that in your own hearts."

He reminded the jury that the court respects their verdict and their role. Karmelo Anthony was seen crying in the courtroom as Howard spoke.

"Anyone who stands up here and tells you puts a number clearly doesn't understand how hard your job is," Howard said, referring to the jury's role in determining how long Anthony will spend in prison.

"I can only ask you to consider both sides, follow your heart, and follow the law," Howard said.

Howard then defined sudden passion, explaining that it is an emotion, a feeling, that is directly caused by provocation by the individual killed or others being killed at the time of the offense.

"Sudden passion doesn't mean blaming Austin or Hunter or any of those Memorial kids under that tent," Howard said. "This is not about blaming a victim."

"Decisions made in the heat of the moment are different than decisions that come after reflection," Howard explained to the jury.

"So when something happens... Austin, Hunter, the kids under the tent... when that happens, and you believe that Karmelo felt terror in that moment such that it rendered his mind incapable that he didn't have time for cool reflection, then sudden passion applies," Howard explained.

"You don't have to be sure of sudden passion, okay?" Howard said.

"I think the video helps really show that because for all this talk about what happened, at the end of the day, that video was mere seconds," Howard said, referring to the video of the altercation at the track meet. "There was a buildup, sure. But then a moment where everything happened in mere seconds."

"I ask you to consider both sides, yes, the Metcalfs have been irrevocably changed by this, and all of our hearts go out to them," Howard said, "The Anthony's too. There are innocent people on both sides who have lost significantly."

"Thank you for doing your duty," Howard said. "I'm going to agree with Mr. Mitchell, in that healing is needed, and you guys are going to decide what that is."

However, there is only one party that is guilty.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:17 pm to
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Just straight making shite up.


Well, it’s worked for the BLM movement so far
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:20 pm to
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you’re basically saying kids can’t handle disputes among themselves if a black male is involved because they’re too prone to violence
I don’t have any problem saying that
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
21064 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:21 pm to
You are deliberately being obtuse and finding fault with everything.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5121 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:21 pm to
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"So when something happens... Austin, Hunter, the kids under the tent... when that happens, and you believe that Karmelo felt terror in that moment such that it rendered his mind incapable that he didn't have time for cool reflection, then sudden passion applies," Howard explained.


Dog whistle soft racism cloaked in suicidal empathy
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24579 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:22 pm to
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I don’t have any problem saying that

I don’t either but would be nice if she’d admit it
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42440 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:24 pm to
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You are deliberately being obtuse and finding fault with everything.


You’re God damned right I’m being blunt. And you’re God damned right I’m finding fault in everything you’re saying. Because it objectively disgusting to try and find any sympathy for Karmello and try to minimize his guilt in any way
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77516 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:24 pm to
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Not what I am saying at all.
Then what does the race of the coach for AM’s school have to do with anything?

Why would it matter if he was white or black?
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 5:28 pm
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
16433 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:25 pm to
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AA


black
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75262 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:25 pm to
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You know, your stupidity wouldn't be so noticeable and off putting if you weren't so cocky about it.


to be fair, we’d be cocky too if we were MENSA members
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
21064 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:26 pm to
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blunt


That's not the definition I was referring to. Learn more English.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
49632 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:28 pm to
I do find that train of thought interesting though…the real world must play a part in dispensing justice and punishing criminality. Just like misty Roberts is unlikely to re-offend (because she’s a woman, and because she offended out of horniness not violent aggression), the reality of the young black male culture must be taken into account here. He killed that kid because he is violent, and that’s how problems are frequently solved for young black men.

here is the world we live in. Are we going to acknowledge it, and try and protect the majority from it or not?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71514 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:28 pm to
She's like the female Roger at this point.
Posted by AFtigerFan
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
3747 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:29 pm to
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So when something happens... Austin, Hunter, the kids under the tent... when that happens, and you believe that Karmelo felt terror in that moment such that it rendered his mind incapable that he didn't have time for cool reflection, then sudden passion applies
Maybe this is why he never called Karmelo to the witness stand. He knew this was a losing case, and playing the sudden passion angle could result in a lighter sentence. If Karmelo took the stand during trial, the prosecution would have tore into him and the sudden passion angle might have been thrown out the window.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42440 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:29 pm to
You are also correct, I’m not being understanding of your position because I find your position completely and entirely lacking in any validity.
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