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Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:28 am to Mootsman
Look. I didn't say that. But right now as we debate on tiger droppings US soldiers are guarding poppy fields on the other side of the world. Like we did in Laos in the late 50's.
We could eradicate the distribution, but we purposely do not. As money is made on both sides. If everyone in the US just stopped taking drugs tomorrow you know how many LEO would be out of jobs?
We could eradicate the distribution, but we purposely do not. As money is made on both sides. If everyone in the US just stopped taking drugs tomorrow you know how many LEO would be out of jobs?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:31 am to GenesChin
Because people choose to display the Confederate battle flag to show Southern pride.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:32 am to BugAC
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Just stating that making assumptions on a group of people isn't always correct.
Again, just direct your responses to the correct individual. Less confusing that way
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I wouldn't call it "anti-American". The Civil War is as American as it gets. It's our history.
Re-read the post you quoted from me. I said the despicable cause if the confederacy is what was anti-American. As is any attempt to end the USA. Of course the war ITSELF is a slice of American history.
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The pride in the confederacy? I have mixed feelings. I hold no allegiance to it, and i personally don't care if you have pride in it. If you are using said pride, to harm others, then yes, that's when i have a problem with it.
And I'll add this caveat. As vehemently as I despise everything for which the confederacy stood, I'm not one of those types that's running around trying to tear down every confederate monument (though I'd rather they be in a museum context), or blaming slavery for any adverse effects on my own life. Hell, I actually think the confederate flag itself is quite aesthetically pleasing. I have an internal locus of control--those events don't determine my future. I do that.
No, I don't assume everyone who waves a rebel flag is a racist. I do assume they're ignorant, misinformed, or have a misguided sense of pride. It's basically the white version of the "we wuz kangz" trope from some blacks today. Both are silly and unhelpful.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:32 am to truth87
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Even now, there's a concerted effort to marginalize and exploit African-Americans by the Republican Party which is overwhelmingly white and male.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:33 am to Mr. Hangover
I was leaning more to the one who shall not be named.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:34 am to Napoleon
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I've been debating on here.
I quoted the actual secession quotes. I think points have been made.
You have not. Do you disagree with anything in my post? If so, highlight it, copy it, then speak to that point. Copy/pasting articles with no reference to what i am talking about is not debating. It's shooting in the dark hoping for a win.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:36 am to TbirdSpur2010
I was actually opposed to taking down Beauregard's monument.
In historical context, had he not been tied to the Confederate cause, he would almost be a early civil rights pioneer. His personal thoughts on equality were ahead of the time.
In historical context, had he not been tied to the Confederate cause, he would almost be a early civil rights pioneer. His personal thoughts on equality were ahead of the time.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:36 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I do assume they're ignorant, misinformed, or have a misguided sense of pride. It's basically the white version of the "we wuz kangz" trope from some blacks today. Both are silly and unhelpful.
Agree with this. We are all guilty of preconceived notions of people, and i may be 100% incorrect, but when i see someone with a rebel flag attached to their vehicle, i make the assumption they are white trash. That's not always the case, just my assumptions based on my own past experiences.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:36 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Pride defined:
Sure, but admiration is different than pride
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a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired
So people shouldn't take pride in having good parents?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:37 am to GenesChin
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Fighting a war to no longer be an American doesn't sound very American
I'm sorry you see things at face value.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:37 am to truth87
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Even now, there's a concerted effort to marginalize and exploit African-Americans by the Republican Party
Flat out making shite up. Not a good look.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:39 am to Napoleon
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I was actually opposed to taking down Beauregard's monument.
In historical context, had he not been tied to the Confederate cause, he would almost be a early civil rights pioneer. His personal thoughts on equality were ahead of the time.
I was against any movements attempted to remove the Sul Ross statue from the A&M campus for reasons along the same vein
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:41 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Confederate romanticism is retarded, as is any form pride in one's ancestors
Spotted the retard.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:45 am to truth87
Lol. Hard hitting. It just highlights a well known historical fact regarding the UDC. It's good to get it out there, I suppose, but I also think it's naive to think that the South simply wanted to keep black people enslaved because frick black people. When your whole economic model is agrarian and slaves are the back bone of that model in the same way they had been for millennia, if someone or something threatens to take that backbone out of your economy you're going to be pissed.
If it turned out that slaves couldn't think or feel, but machines could, and the North was using these thinking and feeling machines to run their manufactories, and the South said, "No, you can't do that, it's inhumane," the North would've told them to frick right off. You can't mess with someone's livelihood and not expect bloodshed.
That said, those up in arms about the removal of statues are idiotic unless those statues are in places that actually commemorate battles or significant events in the war. Why do we have monuments to these men in random arse places that they had nothing to do with?
If it turned out that slaves couldn't think or feel, but machines could, and the North was using these thinking and feeling machines to run their manufactories, and the South said, "No, you can't do that, it's inhumane," the North would've told them to frick right off. You can't mess with someone's livelihood and not expect bloodshed.
That said, those up in arms about the removal of statues are idiotic unless those statues are in places that actually commemorate battles or significant events in the war. Why do we have monuments to these men in random arse places that they had nothing to do with?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:48 am to LoveThatMoney
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You can't mess with someone's livelihood and not expect bloodshed.*
*livelihoods of black people notwithstanding
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:50 am to truth87
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I can go on and on about how slavery didn't end, it just evolved. Even now, there's a concerted effort to marginalize and exploit African-Americans by the Republican Party which is overwhelmingly white and male.
This sucks because the rest of your points were accurate.
The GOP doesn't give leaders in the black community what they want. At worst the GOP neglects the black community, they sure as frick don't exploit it. The DNC does that.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:52 am to truth87
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Slavery is racial oppression
Lol. No, it isn't.
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After slavery, it was common for white mobs of people bitter about the lost to raid black communities killing everyone in sight. For example, goggle the Colfax massacre that happened in Louisiana.
So... What, like in the 70s after Jim Crow? I thought slavery was racial oppression and didn't end 150 years ago. Also, this is not slavery.
quote:not slavery.
For a very long time after slavery, blacks were prevented from owning property, owning a gun, and the right to education.
quote:not slavery.
Blacks after the war were treated like trash. In the case of Elizabeth Lawrence, she was an elderly black woman who was lynched by a white mob for scolding white children who threw rocks at her as she was walking home in 1933. And this happened during my grandfather's lifetime (he's still alive). There were thousands of senseless lynchings after slavery to instill fear in blacks and keep them from being empowered to stand up for equality.
quote:not slavery.
The Jim Crow era was terrible too. I can speak all day on the horrors of "separate but equal" lies.
quote:can you? Because you already conceded that slavery ended.
I can go on and on about how slavery didn't end, it just evolved
quote:I think you need to look closer at the Democratic Party and determine whether it is in the best interest of the Democrats to keep blacks poor and oppressed. The Republicans probably don't care about black people, which is bad enough. But it looks like Democrats are actively trying to do things to keep black people dependent upon them so they keep getting reelected.
Even now, there's a concerted effort to marginalize and exploit African-Americans by the Republican Party which is overwhelmingly white and male.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:54 am to truth87
i love the constant melt from fat redneck conservatives about the confederacy. it's glorious.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 10:00 am to TbirdSpur2010
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You can't mess with someone's livelihood and not expect bloodshed.*
*livelihoods of black people notwithstanding
i think that's where BugAC's going with his emotion comment about arguing causes of the civil war. not defending some of his points (a few are valid.)
whether slavery is wrong, is not in question (i hope.) the north was trying to cripple the south economically, and not altruistically. the evils of slavery don't take away from the fact that northern states were trying to take away the livelihood of the south and not because they wanted freed slaves.
T, not directing this at you as you know i love you and appreciate and respect your levelheadedness.
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