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re: Travel Ball "World Series"
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:57 pm to CP3LSU25
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:57 pm to CP3LSU25
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I would pull a little giants and take all the kids that got cut and make a team and take them to the World Series. The point is you are supposed to earn a spot in the World Series
They have those as well.. The elite world series held in Disney in years past is limited to teams that have won a Super NIT.
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Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:00 pm to BARNEYSTINSON
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Is it because of travel tournaments or are travel tournaments needed because Rec is so poor.
Let's be real. Rec is open to everyone and kept at a relatively affordable price point, in some places, it is also involving local government.
Travel ball has exploded because all of these thousandaires don't want Braden and Brayden and Kaden playing with... those poor/trashy/black/public school kids. Because those poor kids can't afford nicer uniforms and matching parent shirts.
So rec ball has become (for most purposes) only the kids who are too poor to afford to play travel ball. Rec ball is full of single moms and poor kids and the like.
There are few, if any, dads in rec ball that can coach, or that can make practices and games... or dads period. Their kids don't buy concessions. They can't afford registration fees. The single mom works multiple jobs and can't get the kids to practice or games... or doesn't have a reliable car. And since 75% of rec ball families are the same way... there isn't much anyone who can help out.
I see it in the rec leagues by us. The 4 year old league has tons of players and coaches and active parents. The 5 year old league the same. 6, we start seeing some kids and families leaving. 7/8, we are begging for coaches. 9/10 and up, we are stuggling to even get enough kids for a league, and getting coaches is a huge struggle.
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I can tell you almost all high school baseball players will have played travel baseball.
That's because the high school coaches also coach travel teams. Two different HS coaches, one softball, one baseball, oversee multi-age travel ball programs (i.e. there is a program that has travel ball team for 6, one for 7s, one for 8s, etc) that if you want to play for them in HS, you need to be in their travel ball program.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:01 pm to OweO
American Legion ball still exists in Baton Rouge, but it is run by the YMCA. Like most rec leagues, it is not very competitive. Since everyone else has an opinion, here's my 2 cents. Rec ball died with the everyone gets to play and no one gets cut movement.
My son will be 13 this summer and we have played rec ball until this summer when we played a couple tournaments. We are moving to a tournament team for next year to get a higher level of competition and prepare him for high school ball since he will be in 8th grade this year. He could have been playing tournament ball all along, but I'm selfish and never wanted to give up my weekends. Would rather be camping, fishing, hunting, etc. with the whole family. So, it worked out for us. Some people love doing it and being at the ballpark 10-12 weekends in the spring and summer.
My son will be 13 this summer and we have played rec ball until this summer when we played a couple tournaments. We are moving to a tournament team for next year to get a higher level of competition and prepare him for high school ball since he will be in 8th grade this year. He could have been playing tournament ball all along, but I'm selfish and never wanted to give up my weekends. Would rather be camping, fishing, hunting, etc. with the whole family. So, it worked out for us. Some people love doing it and being at the ballpark 10-12 weekends in the spring and summer.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So rec ball has become (for most purposes) only the kids who are too poor to afford to play travel ball. Rec ball is full of single moms and poor kids and the like.
Not true AT ALL
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I see it in the rec leagues by us. 7/8, we are begging for coaches. 9/10 and up, we are stuggling to even get enough kids for a league, and getting coaches is a huge struggle.
Where are you?
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That's because the high school coaches also coach travel teams. Two different HS coaches, one softball, one baseball, oversee multi-age travel ball programs (i.e. there is a program that has travel ball team for 6, one for 7s, one for 8s, etc) that if you want to play for them in HS, you need to be in their travel ball program.
Man, you are so uninformed.....seriously..I thought you lived in the NOLA area.....
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:06 pm to baxter12
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Most of these travel ball teams couldn’t hold the jock straps of the old squires league Baw’s back in the early mid 90’s now that was real travel ball. and don’t forget about the old millerville league.
I played for the Royals in the Millerville League for a couple years circa 1989 and 1990. We played in places across the south as far away as Memphis.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:07 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Where are you?
I am in the NOLA area.
And I am 100 percent correct.
I have had HS coaches tell me that to my face, almost laughing about it.
I could show you the rosters of 4 year old teams from 4-5 years ago, and 90 percent of the kids aren't playing by age 8/9. And most of them, I can tell you exactly what travel ball team they are on. And since it's all daddy coaches, I can tell you when the coaches coached age 4/5 in rec, and what travel ball team they are coaching now.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:07 pm to BARNEYSTINSON
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but most are combining schools or have full out moved to showcase instead.
The American Legion team in my area, when I was young, was made up of the two schools in my area (one public HS and one private HS). I am talking about a small city..
Now that I am thinking about it, I think they had to do that to make a whole team. Not everyone was willing to play.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:14 pm to anc
Many Division III colleges are adding sports like crazy to survive. Its not uncommon for over 50% of students at D3 schools to be some sort of athlete.
I pointed out the Centenary baseball and softball rosters - my daughters are swimmers. My oldest is at the age where she is at least thinking about whether she wants to pursue swimming in college.
One of the schools we had considered academically was The University of the Ozarks in Arkansas. Good school, good academic reputation. They have a swim team. We can talk about Centenary having 50 baseball players including some that didn't play high school baseball, but this is an example of how D3 is working now.
Over half of Ozarks' female swimmers have a best 50 free time of over 40 seconds. Their weakest swimmer's best time is 44.65.
The Louisiana 6 year old champion swam a 43.68 - almost a second better. There is an 8 year old in Louisiana that would be this college's second best swimmer.
I pointed out the Centenary baseball and softball rosters - my daughters are swimmers. My oldest is at the age where she is at least thinking about whether she wants to pursue swimming in college.
One of the schools we had considered academically was The University of the Ozarks in Arkansas. Good school, good academic reputation. They have a swim team. We can talk about Centenary having 50 baseball players including some that didn't play high school baseball, but this is an example of how D3 is working now.
Over half of Ozarks' female swimmers have a best 50 free time of over 40 seconds. Their weakest swimmer's best time is 44.65.
The Louisiana 6 year old champion swam a 43.68 - almost a second better. There is an 8 year old in Louisiana that would be this college's second best swimmer.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I am in the NOLA area.
none of what you said is true for Carrollton thats for sure....maybe JPRD or NORD...but I've never heard of any of that garbage
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I could show you the rosters of 4 year old teams from 4-5 years ago, and 90 percent of the kids aren't playing by age 8/9. And most of them, I can tell you exactly what travel ball team they are on. And since it's all daddy coaches, I can tell you when the coaches coached age 4/5 in rec, and what travel ball team they are coaching now.
thats not what you said..you said....
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I see it in the rec leagues by us. 7/8, we are begging for coaches. 9/10 and up, we are stuggling to even get enough kids for a league, and getting coaches is a huge struggle.
7/8 are not begging for coaches....maybe 9/10's are but thats due mostly because thats when the kids start pitching and the game changes for the kids and the parents and not a lot of dads know what they are doing
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That's because the high school coaches also coach travel teams
not unless they have a kid on the team but most HS coaches are coaching their own HS team for Metro Ball...... quote:
Two different HS coaches, one softball, one baseball, oversee multi-age travel ball programs (i.e. there is a program that has travel ball team for 6, one for 7s, one for 8s, etc) that if you want to play for them in HS, you need to be in their travel ball program.
Oh, ok...so 2? 
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:16 pm to LSUengr
quote:They are talking about American Legion Summer Ball for HS... which back when dinosaurs roamed the earth in the 80s and up until the 90s was top notch baseball with upper classmen, graduated seniors and college guys that were "young enough"
American Legion ball still exists in Baton Rouge, but it is run by the YMCA
Legion started dying a slow death because many coaches didn't want to spend developmental time/reps on guys that were graduated, then factor in this coincided with the rise of baseball show case events. I was really bummed a few years back when my hometown legion team made it to the state tourney in NO... and were playing against a nephew's team - I go to the game and they are missing 6 players because they were at a mizuno event in houston instead. Some of my fondest memories in baseball were in legion ball. Twice I tried to get a legion team going in BR in the past 8 years twice I had the sponsor and coaches biting... but....to be competitive you need graduated seniors....... and then there is the real deal killer that helped travel ball boom - and crippled leauges and legion - kids could play for whomever they wanted.. am legion you were bound by where you lived or went to school just like little league.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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and 90 percent of the kids aren't playing by age 8/9. And most of them, I can tell you exactly what travel ball team they are on.
Do you realize thats because they cant and dont want to play Wreck during the week and Tournament during the weekend?
When they are 4-8, yes it's okay to do both because it's coach pitch/pitching machine
When they turn 9, the kids start pitching and it's not fair to either team for a 9/10 year old kid to be pitching in Rec games during the week and travel games during the weekends
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:18 pm to TROLA
quote:nope... teams can refuse bids after winning a SNIT and it gets passed back - all at a SNIT if teams placing 1-6 already have bids.. 7 is the lucky contestant.. in fact a BR team from a couple years back - that's how they got there.
The elite world series held in Disney in years past is limited to teams that have won a Super NIT.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:20 pm to tgrbaitn08
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none of what you said is true for Carrollton thats for sure.
Ok... Carrollton is in a whole another class than the rest of the rec leagues in the NOLA. Y'all charge more, have a ton of sponsors, and much more involved families... and the demographics are a lot different than most rec leagues.
I have a lot of respect and admiration for the Carrollton program. But that is by no means "normal".
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7/8 are not begging for coaches....
Our park had 4 7/8 teams this season. We had one coach sign up during sign ups. We asked multiple times for more coaches. On the first day of evaluations, a second coach volunteered. On the last day of evaluations, a third coach volunteered. We had 50 kids... we needed four teams... 17 kids on a team is too much.
We held up the draft for a week trying to find a fourth coach. Finally, we told all the families that if a fourth coach didn't volunteer by X date, we were going to not have a league and refund all their money. At 10 pm on that date, the boyfriend of one of the moms stepped up to coach.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:21 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Do you realize thats because they cant and dont want to play Wreck during the week and Tournament during the weekend?
When they are 4-8, yes it's okay to do both because it's coach pitch/pitching machine
When they turn 9, the kids start pitching and it's not fair to either team for a 9/10 year old kid to be pitching in Rec games during the week and travel games during the weekends
I'm not saying they should play both. I'm saying they are not good enough for travel ball, and should be playing rec ball.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
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200 girls and each of them paid $135
And that is a small competition. You gotta figure these dance competition guys are grossing at least 90K a weekend. Also factor in what you pay for the hotel rooms at these places usually a 2 night stay and you are shelling out 300-350 a weekend just on this ....if you are not sharing a room when it comes down to it you are forking out close to 1200 a month during the spring competition season .....fees, hotel, costumes, food and other add ons (gas included)
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:23 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:wurd.
Do you realize thats because they cant and dont want to play Wreck during the week and Tournament during the weekend?
When they are 4-8, yes it's okay to do both because it's coach pitch/pitching machine
When they turn 9, the kids start pitching and it's not fair to either team for a 9/10 year old kid to be pitching in Rec games during the week and travel games during the weekends
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Our park had 4 7/8 teams this season. We had one coach sign up during sign ups. We asked multiple times for more coaches. On the first day of evaluations, a second coach volunteered. On the last day of evaluations, a third coach volunteered. We had 50 kids... we needed four teams... 17 kids on a team is too much.
well i dont know what to tell you...it sounds like you're in a very small town not anywhere around nola...that does suck.....does your rec program forbid the 7/8 boys from playing both rec and travel?
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I'm saying they are not good enough for travel ball, and should be playing rec ball.
I agree 100%....
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:29 pm to tgrbaitn08
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it sounds like you're in a very small town not anywhere around nola...that does suck.
It's in a parish that shares a border with Orleans.
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does your rec program forbid the 7/8 boys from playing both rec and travel?
Not at all. However, the travel teams here (there are many) practice 3-4 times a week and tournaments most weekends, so it's very difficult to play both rec and travel, because there is constant conflict with the dates and times of practices and games.
This past season, we even got rid of Saturday games thinking that might help... but that just meant more games during the week, and most travel ball parents told us if there was a conflict between travel ball practice and rec game, they would always choose travel ball practice.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 3:37 pm to PCRammer
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His dad is the classic "living through his kid" syndrome.
I hate that for the kid. I was the opposite in that I was a high school football player who did a year in D1 until I realized those guys were serious and I was not(a least not to the level most of the others were.) I never even encouraged my son to play any ball. His cousins were playing travel ball and he thought he would check it out. He went in without any real training and made the 11 year old A team over one of his cousins who had been playing for a while. He hated it.....went out for football and you can't keep him out of the weight room or practices in Jr. High and now high school...........football is a lot cheaper
He's built for football though, 15 and 6'3" 215 lbs
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