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I was referring to people that speculate the numbers are artificially inflated.


There are some very interesting episodes of the Standard Sportsman's podcast where they deep dive into the numbers and how they are calculated/represented. Multiple biologists and long term members of the waterfowl scientific community discussing some really technical aspsects of the count. Things like sex ratio, breeding pairs, may pond count, lincoln-peterson index and other waterfowl count details. When you listen to it all, you get the feeling no one is doing it on purpose. However, you start to question some of the decisions that air on the side of being liberal with the number.

Don't remember the exact methodology, but there is a way that they count unparied males that lends the count to be artificially higher than it would otherwise be. The sex ratio has started to skew pretty hard. The literature says 3:1 male to female, but some biologists doing banding think it is more like 5:1 or higher. Obviously, that is not good for the population. Also, the moment they count the wetland ponds on the prairie lends itself to over estimating since the farmers tile drain them after the count is actually done. So then the estimate of productive breeding areas is inflated.

Then you listen to the biologists/experts who Ramsey Russell has on his podcast and they just basically blame it all on the weather not being cold. Like someone else said though, if it was just a weather issue, all those ducks would be somehwhere and it just doesn't work out that way in each state's numbers.

It's not an exact science obviousy, but seems like flying the breeding grounds and using AI or some advanced tools would do a better job than we currrently do with biologists just counting from a plane.
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Take it to extreme: let’s say limit was 1 duck for 30 days. That would surely make a difference.


Yes, that extreme would make a difference. My statement was in reference to a 3 duck limit or 6 duck. Average hunter success is generally between 2.5-2.8 birds per effort. Sure, that would go down a small amount if the limit is 3 versus 6, since it takes a few 6 days to offset the 0 days in that average. Statistically though wouldn't make a huge difference.

However, if you have half as many days to hunt, the number of ducks killed would drop drastically. Your average hunter can't cram many more days in since he has a job, family, etc. The clubs and outfitters that hunt every day would be cut in half. They could start hunting multiple times per day, more blinds, etc., but their harvest would suffer long term.
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I still think another huge factor is the real duck numbers are a lot lower than stated.

The numbers are too low even if you just assume the count is somewhat reliable. The latest mallard count was 6.5 million. The long term agreed upon goal was 9 million. The USFWS dropped the mallard count from the adaptive harvest management equation in 2023 when it would have sent us into 40/4 or 30/3. They know the numbers are low, but too much market pressure and biologists who claim "harvest doesn't matter" are making the decisions. Until we control for harvest and see if the population rebounds, we will never know. Habitat loss throughout the flyway, but certainly on the breeding grounds is a huge problem also.

We need to go to 30/3. Hell, 30/6 would be fine. Although that is not an option. Days kill ducks, the limit doesn't really matter too much.
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Hackney has a Louisiana Sportsman episode where he tent camped with a group that do it every year...


That's the crew that was there weekend before Thanksgiving, same white tent. They are the ones with the hot water shower set-up.
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Make sure you have an idea of how to run PAL it’s the most challenging of all the passes in Venice to run.


To Hammer's point, when you come into Pass a Loutre from the river, favor the south side. There is a large flat on the north side. There are crab traps on the edge of the flat, so stay south of those and you are good. If going to Loomis 1, cut between the 2 islands favoring the east island. There is a large flat at the east end of the first island. Once thru there, Dennis and Loomis are pretty straight forward.

If you plan on going further down Pass A Loutre, use Google earth/google maps to get familiar with the sand bars. The first couple you can see while on the water since they have vegetation on them, but the last couple do not. You can see them on aerial imagery though. You have to cross PAL 6 times if you want to go all the way to the end of it, although I doubt you will.
Easier run to East Bay marsh which is where a lot of guys hunt. Campground is shaped a little better. Loomis 1 is long and not very wide. Loomis 1 is good though of that is closer to where you want to hunt.
Have a camp down there.

The south pass campground and caddro (freshwater reservoir) campground are the two most used. Loomis 1st is next most used and then Loomis 2nd is barely used. They arent staffing the wildlife camp anymore so dont know if Loomis 2nd is even kept up anymore. Last weekend, Caddro had no less than 15 boats there camping. Once you make it to the campgrounds, there is plenty of hunting where you dont have to get in the river so you can go out before daylight safely.

Only niche gear I would recommend is a set up like some guys have had the last two years at the Caddro campground. They set up a shower tent with a water pump and propane on demand water heater. Sure that makes camping a lot more enjoyable to have a hot shower. Bring your own firewood as there isnt really much to collect down there since trees are few and far between.
Never paid attention to the critics ratings. The audience ratings are pretty spot on though.
TLDR: Used some info from WizardSleeve and other sources to send an email to a couple friends who are state legislators. This needs to be out of the hands of the LWFC.

I wasn’t able to attend the meeting last Thursday, but as you may have heard, the LWFC voted for an NOI to reduce the Pogie Boat buffer back to ¼ mile. Commission Chairman Kevin Sagrera was basically just a mouthpiece for the pogie coalition. He only has commercial fishing industries best interest in mind. He was the one who directed the staff to redraw the maps along most of the coast to ¼ mile from the agreed upon ½ mile for the NOI.

The economic impact of the recreational fishing industry far outweighs the Pogie industry. The economic impact of recreational fishing is in the billions and the Pogie industry is around $400 million. Yet the LWFC commission is making decisions that prioritize the pogie industry over recreational fishing.

27 pogie boats work from 3 docks (Abbeville LA where Sagrera is from, Empire LA & Moss Point MS), and two companies process the pogie, Omega and Daybrook. Omega is wholly owned by Canadian international aquaculture conglomerate Cooke Aquaculture. Daybrook is owned by Oceana, a South African international aquaculture company. Both have fish and shrimp farms all over the world. Their entire business is to harvest marine forage species (menhaden aka pogie and sardines) and use that as feedstock to farm shrimp and fish. It is far more economical to produce shrimp and fish this way, which is why we are seeing our local shrimpers suffer as foreign farmed shrimp floods the market here.

The pogie industry employs 800 people here in Louisiana (per the Pogie Industry’s numbers) as part of the operation. As large international companies the profits (and taxes paid on the profits) are mostly not realized here in LA but instead in some other country. The only economic benefit they have for Louisiana is the employment. They do not pay a substantial amount of taxes here. Those of us who are for conservation and limits placed on the pogie boats think the value of at most 800 mostly-seasonal jobs they create are not worth a fraction of the damage they cause to our coast.

A 2024 study that thoroughly examined bycatch associated with the Gulf industrial menhaden fishery showed that more than 140 million non-target fish were killed along with menhaden by industrial vessels that year alone, including 22,000 breeding-size redfish (which are illegal to harvest by recreational anglers), 240,000 speckled trout, more than 80 million croaker, 25 million white trout, 5.5 million white shrimp as well as millions of other species like black drum, catfish, sharks, and rays. An additional 8,000 smaller redfish, Louisiana’s only saltwater gamefish, were killed and along with menhaden reduced by the industry into fish oil, fish meal, and other industrial products. The 2024 study also showed that bycatch of speckled trout, redfish, and other species increased in net sets made in water shallower than 22 feet deep. The worst part is they remove over 1 billion lbs of biomass from the marine food web annually. This is the largest handicap we face. Our trout and redfish populations are in decline (hence lower recreational limits, despite recreational catch biomass being at 4 decade lows), the tarpon have disappeared from our coast, and many other fish populations have collapsed (king mackerel for instance have vanished and commercial harvest is 25% of what it used to be 2 decades ago).

Hypothetically if the pogie boats were gone today, as they are gone from TX, AL, and FL, our ecosystem productivity would boom like we've never seen in our lifetimes. Why we continue to be the only state to allow them to damage our fishery is baffling. We are supposed to be the “Sportsman’s Paradise”. Instead our LWFC has made us the Pogie Industry poster child. The buffer should be increased to 1 mile at a minimum, but in reality we should outlaw the entire industry like other Gulf states have done. Even Mississippi was smart enough to at least create a 1 mile buffer zone.

Both of you understand the impact and importance of recreational fishing to our culture, way of life and economy as evidence by your attendance and support at the CCA lege rodeo. The recreational limits have been lowered in this state, yet we continue to allow outside interests to pillage our resources. We need to protect our fish populations. We need the legislature to step in. A bill was attempted in 2022. H.B. 1033, championed by Lafourche Parish Representative Joe Orgeron, had a bipartisan group of 14 co-sponsors in the House. Public support for the measure was overwhelming. So was support in the Louisiana House, which voted on April 27 to approve the measure 75-22. Then the Louisiana’s Senate Natural Resources Committee killed the bill that would have, for the first time, set a catch limit on nearshore industrial menhaden harvest. We need some champions for our recreational fishing industry, who are citizens of this state, to step up and put an end to the pogie lobby controlling the resource.

re: Duck Season 2025/2026

Posted by LSUengr on 11/5/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Trout finally move in? Got a good report from last weekend on off Dennis


Been catching them in fall spots for about a month now. Caught over 200 this weekend, 6 man limits Friday and Saturday.

re: Duck Season 2025/2026

Posted by LSUengr on 11/4/25 at 10:14 am to
Fished venice Thursday - Sunday in pass a loutre, south pass, east bay area all weekend. Saw less than 100 ducks. Grass has mostly died now that river is low and salt water has killed it. Dont know what it looks like up towards baptiste and delta duck.

re: Anyone here use a teardrop trailer?

Posted by LSUengr on 10/30/25 at 10:15 pm to
Built a squaredrop during covid from an old boat trailer I had. We have loved it. Full size bed, galley with sink and cabinets, window unit and awning. Only drawback is no bathroom and shower. We use a solar bag when no showers are available. Coleman stove, toaster oven and coffee pot for cooking. Its been about 15,000 miles so far. Few trips in the south and 2 major trips out west. 3 weeks around CO in 2023 and 4 weeks doing 9 national parks in 6 states out west in 2024. Light weight so get 15-17 mpg pulling it with chevy silverado. We have thoroughly enjoyed it.


re: Starlink Roam

Posted by LSUengr on 10/22/25 at 10:51 am to
Just got it at our camp downriver in Venice. We have the $50/50 GB plan with pay as you go $1/GB over 50. Month 1 we used it 3 weekends:
Weekend 1 - 3 of us there for one night and one day used 9 GB
Weekend 2 - 6 of us there for 3 nights/3days, watched LSU game, lots of social media for 1/2 the crew used 38 GB
Weekend 3 - 4 of us there 1.5 days/1 night, watched some LSU game used 8 GB

Month 1: $55 for 55 GB

Dad and a couple buddies got there Monday night. They have used 6 GB so far. They are all old so texting, calls, light social media and no tv.
Was just coming to post this. Email at a minimum and show up if you can. We should be increasing the buffer not decreasing it.
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My recommendation is go to Venice


This. Venice much more consistent this time of year. Reds are in all the passes and river. Weekend before last trout were on the edge of the gulf at the passes. This cool weather and the river getting back below 3' should push them in.

re: Red Snapper Season....

Posted by LSUengr on 10/6/25 at 8:23 pm to
LDWF posted on their Facebook page a few days ago. Count is 93.6% and closure could happen as early as this weekend or next. Advised staying tune to their social media releases.

re: Squirrel from Boat

Posted by LSUengr on 10/6/25 at 2:10 pm to
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I am aware that I cannot hunt squirrels from a boat that in under power.


Only a restriction on WMAs.

Firearms having live ammunition in the chamber and crossbows cocked in the ready position are not allowed in or on vehicles, boats under power, motorcycles, ATVs, UTVs, ATCs, WMA check stations, or in camping areas on WMAs.

re: South TX doves?

Posted by LSUengr on 9/26/25 at 9:59 pm to
Uncle and friends killed limits last 2 days in Midland area.