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re: Toyota, Yamaha working on hydrogen-burning V8 engine. Is this the Tesla killer?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:40 pm to Sev09
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:40 pm to Sev09
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Uh no. Also, Musk literally laughed at the notion of a hydrogen powered engine. Literally a punchline to him.
So the guy who sells electric cars laughs at the notion of a hydrogen powered engine?
Shocking.
So the people at Toyota are just clueless and like to waste money?
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:44 pm
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Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:41 pm to south by southwest
FedGov will probably try to outlaw hydrogen. They want you in an electric car.
But I would definitely be interested in one if we can figure out a refueling design that was easy, convenient, and safe.
But I would definitely be interested in one if we can figure out a refueling design that was easy, convenient, and safe.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:41 pm to joshnorris14
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For what reason? This is how you know you hold a dogmatic position
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:41 pm to Turf Taint
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could use electricity to make hydrogen via electrolyzers
Ding ding ding.
A little saltwater and electrolysis... You get some bleach and hydrogen all in one. Power the engine that charges the battery that fuels the electrolyzers all while keeping our streets clean. Everyone wins except everyone
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:44 pm to Turf Taint
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Or, you could use electricity to make hydrogen via electrolyzers...
So let’s burn fuel sources to make electricity, to make hydrogen, to turn engines.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:44 pm to MadtownTiger
That’s at atmospheric pressures.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:46 pm to MadtownTiger
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Hydrogen has to be kept at -435F to stay liquid, which it has to stay at in storage.
Or, you could compress it like we currently do with natural gas and burn it as a gas.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:49 pm to Masterag
quote:We need to make a car so fast that it actually produces gasoline.
Just get some hydrogen peroxide and take the peroxide out. Pretty simple
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:49 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Or, you could compress it like we currently do with natural gas and burn it as a gas.
Imagine how different our life would be if we had to store liquid gases below their boiling point at standard pressure.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:49 pm to Korkstand
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It's a challenge just to keep hydrogen from leaking out of a tank.
Can be done…just need a set of 30 weight ball bearings.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:50 pm to south by southwest
Just noticed you said V8 engines. At least the Toyota is nothing like that. Fill with hydrogen,there is a fuel cell in the vehicle that charges the battery (it's an electric vehicle) and the only emission is a water vapor.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:51 pm to south by southwest
The price of hydrogen will go up as demand goes up. So the attraction off lower operating cost will eventually diminish.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:53 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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I wouldn't underestimate Elon Musk
Yeah, he's smarter than a tree full of hoot owls.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:54 pm to Pingrapture
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The price of hydrogen will go up as demand goes up. So the attraction off lower operating cost will eventually diminish.
Or, you make more.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:00 pm to south by southwest
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:05 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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From what I've seen... I wouldn't underestimate Elon Musk. Dude had manufacturing and supply chain stuff in place before some problems/inventions had even been solved.
You do know that the only reason that Tesla is still in business is due to a decade of huge tax credits for electric vehicles.
Also, competition is coming, unless you think that every other manufacturer in the world is going to strike out on their EV designs.
Now you add in Toyota,known for quality, who is working on a hydrogen V8.
I know that Elon has a loyal army of fan boys, but competition is coming and to think that they will all strike out and that we will all be driving Teslas is delusional and illogical.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:06 pm to UPGDude
quote:Yeah, for a given size hydrogen tank that you're hauling around, you can drive roughly twice as far using a fuel cell and electric motors than by combusting it in a piston engine. I don't even know if it's theoretically possible to build a combustion engine that is more efficient than today's fuel cells.
there is a fuel cell in the vehicle that charges the battery (it's an electric vehicle) and the only emission is a water vapor.
Literally the only reason to build an engine like OP's link is because you like the sound and the feel.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:08 pm to south by southwest
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This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:11 pm to south by southwest
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know that Elon has a loyal army of fan boys, but competition is coming and to think that they will all strike out and that we will all be driving Teslas is delusional and illogical.
Literally, nobody in this thread has said this.
Elon Musk is a bright guy no matter how you slice it.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:15 pm to Oilfieldbiology
The Toyota Mirai is hydrogen fuel cell and it cost about $100 to fill it and only has a 250-300 mile range. And only available in CA.
It’s a tech for tree huggers.
It’s a tech for tree huggers.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 9:15 pm
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