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TOPS Needs To Go
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:33 pm
Anybody who wonders why the education department is in a constant pickle needs to look at the TOPS plan. TOPS is costing the state untold millions and is a huge hindrance to the advancement of the university. If we want to get on an even playing field with the rest of the country academically and monetarily, TOPS needs to be eliminated.
Many of you know that the system is broken but will downvote because it works to your advantage. If you wonder why LSU is always broke and lagging behind, TOPS is the answer
Many of you know that the system is broken but will downvote because it works to your advantage. If you wonder why LSU is always broke and lagging behind, TOPS is the answer
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 6:57 am
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:34 pm to MC5601
I agree. TOPS should definitely be canceled in 4 years.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:34 pm to MC5601
Says the guy who doesn’t have any kids who are going to college in Louisiana.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:36 pm to High C
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Says the guy who doesn’t have any kids who are going to college in Louisiana.
That doesnt change the fact that it's a government hand out.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:37 pm to MC5601
NO. But it needs to go back to what it was supposed to be when established. An awards system to keep our best and brightest here in LA.
The problem with TOPS is that the politicians can’t fricking stand that they can’t control it and use it as a tool to get votes. TOPS was NEVER intended to be “needs” based or aimed at persons of a certain color or community. It also wasn’t meant for everyone. It is meant for very bright kids who work hard and get good grades. Regardless of their background, parents income or anything else.
The problem with TOPS is that the politicians can’t fricking stand that they can’t control it and use it as a tool to get votes. TOPS was NEVER intended to be “needs” based or aimed at persons of a certain color or community. It also wasn’t meant for everyone. It is meant for very bright kids who work hard and get good grades. Regardless of their background, parents income or anything else.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:37 pm to MC5601
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If we want to get on an even playing field with the rest of the country academically and monetarily, TOPS needs to be eliminated.
how do eliminating scholarships even the playing field with the rest of the country?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:39 pm to iAmBatman
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how do eliminating scholarships even the playing field with the rest of the country?
I don't think it should be eliminated but should the government really be handing out full tuition scholarships to kids making a 20 on the ACT and a 2.5 high school GPA?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:39 pm to MC5601
I don’t know if it needs to go away all together but the requirements to get it need to be adjusted
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:39 pm to jbgleason
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An awards system to keep our best and brightest here in LA.
The keeping them here in LA part is the real problem. Texas loves TOPS.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:40 pm to MC5601
Louisiana is the minor league team for a bunch of bigger states, Texas, Georgia, New York, and DC included. We pay for their education and then the best and brightest hit the road, never to return to Louisiana, and the entire investment is lost.
I don't blame people for leaving Louisiana. It's a complete shithole. I blame the state for creating a system that educates the workforce of every other state but Louisiana.
I don't blame people for leaving Louisiana. It's a complete shithole. I blame the state for creating a system that educates the workforce of every other state but Louisiana.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:41 pm to MC5601
Agree. I have kids and don't expect tax payers to pay for their education. There is no reason we should have this many colleges in Louisiana anyway.
At a minimum it should be a loan of some kind forgiven upon completion of school.
At a minimum it should be a loan of some kind forgiven upon completion of school.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:42 pm to TigersSEC2010
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creating a system that educates the workforce of every other state
lets not get carried away
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:42 pm to MC5601
TOPS would be a great program if Louisiana was not such a terrible state to land a high paying job that's tailored to their degrees.
TOPS is a shitty program for Louisiana as long as the state is where it is right now.
TOPS is a shitty program for Louisiana as long as the state is where it is right now.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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should the government really be handing out full tuition scholarships to kids making a 20 on the ACT and a 2.5 high school GPA?
No
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:43 pm to lsu13lsu
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lsu13lsu
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At a minimum it should be a loan of some kind forgiven upon completion of school.
interesting, please continue
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:44 pm to iAmBatman
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how do eliminating scholarships even the playing field with the rest of the country?
Let's put it this way: a kid with a 3.5 GPA and a 27 ACT score would not get into Texas or Texas A&M. That same kid gets nearly a full ride to LSU - And this is on the good end of the spectrum. There are other kids who had a 2.8 GPA and 21 ACT that are still qualified for state assistance. No wonder Louisiana is broke
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:44 pm to MC5601
It can't just be ended, because the state's entire education system has been adapted to it. Scholarships to state schools are very slim now, because of TOPS.
It would have to be phased out, or ended at a future date.
It would have to be phased out, or ended at a future date.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:45 pm to MC5601
TOPS should require folks to stay in the state for 2 years and if you don't graduate, it turns in loaned money which you have to pay back.
The excuse is used that you can't find a high paying job. You can with the right degree and tough shite - you just got free college. 2 years of a "lower" paying job is a small price to pay for free college.
The excuse is used that you can't find a high paying job. You can with the right degree and tough shite - you just got free college. 2 years of a "lower" paying job is a small price to pay for free college.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:46 pm to MC5601
TOPS is one of the few things Louisiana can actually brag about, and in typical Louisiana fashion half the people hate it.
If I was governor I’d make TOPS even stronger BUT add a condition you have to live/work in-state for 3-5 year or you have to pay a portion back.
So basically make it a loan you can defer and ultimately forgive if you stay in Louisiana and don’t drive your UHaul to Texas immediately upon graduation.
If I was governor I’d make TOPS even stronger BUT add a condition you have to live/work in-state for 3-5 year or you have to pay a portion back.
So basically make it a loan you can defer and ultimately forgive if you stay in Louisiana and don’t drive your UHaul to Texas immediately upon graduation.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:47 pm to yellowfin
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I don’t know if it needs to go away all together but the requirements to get it need to be adjusted
The requirements are laughably low. Lump the Opportunity Award (20 ACT) in with the Tech Award (17 ACT), that applies to 2 year schools. Lowest level for a 4 year university should be the "Performance Award", which is 23 ACT minimum.
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