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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:25 pm to
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:25 pm to
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One opinion


I mean it's not a bad opinion.

He definitely has some strong arguments as to why ATC shares the blame.

This isn't going to be a 100% fault of one or the other party.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3125 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:33 pm to
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Instructor Pilots dont ride around for fun.

Evaluators are inherently instructors as well. If a routine annual eval was being conducted as has been stated there was and instructor/evaluator onboard. Besides, instructors need to get their hacks too so yes they often fly for their own training.

Managing all training and operations for a flying squadron used to be my job and I still had to fly for my own training. Even then as an instructor/evaluator I didnt have anyone supervising me unless I went non current or was getting an annual checkride.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:49 pm
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15266 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:34 pm to
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DEI isnt "women pilots: Its women pilots getttng jobs over men when they are less qualified.


And we know know nothing about this pilot’s history other than 500 hours.

What if “she’s” a tranny on a cocktail of “gender affirming drugs” who is pissed at Trump’s two gender executive order and decided to go out in a blaze of glory and mass murder?

Also, what if the instructor is a closet terrorist who took control of the flight controls and flew it into the plane on purpose as part of some kind of personal jihad?

We don’t know shite yet except this looks so atrociously and incomprehensibly dumb it almost seems intentional.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:35 pm to
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I'd rather them experience it in a controlled environment...which if done properly and fully staffed would be perfect for ATC near a busy airport and military installation.


Lots of questions. I suspect during the year this pilot does a good bit of sim time, but remember this is a check ride with an IP so no sim.

The bigger problem is why that congested part of the world. The Army trains to standard, you cant make me believe the standard can only be achieved at that location. Guess? that particular mission terminates at Reagan or its a Capital Reagan loop.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122093 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:36 pm to
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Having said that, I have no clue what the ability of this particular female pilot was. She could have been a great pilot, she could have been completely incompetent and in way over her head. We, by that I mean the general public, simply don’t know at this point. All I do know, or at least I think I know, is apparently for some reason, the helicopter was flying much higher than it was supposed to in this area. Why it was flying too high, so far I’ve not seen any explanation.



Yeah, I watched the video several times. Just seeing how it ran into the plane, IDK... Just something about that.. I don't have enough knowledge to know what could have happened to cause that, but I can't imagine what happened that caused the helicopter to be flying that high and then running straight into the plane. Im not one to really hang on to things, but I keep seeing that in my head last night for some reason.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20912 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:43 pm to
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For whatever reason though, last night this heiress flying over twice as high as it was supposed to. I think the question now is why.
Nervous about bridges in the dark?

All i got. I’d be nervous too flying low in that area.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7655 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:44 pm to
You need a clean final, obviously. If the helo passes behind the CRJ, you have a clean final.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3125 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:46 pm to
If referencing the ground video it is deceptive. You cant perceive the maneuvering of the airplane. Heck people watch it and think the helo saw the departing a/c when it was nowhere near their field of view.

Anyone suggesting it was deliberate has no idea how difficult it is to execute an exact cutoff intercept on a maneuvering target especially with such a velocity mismatch. The slightest mistiming and you under or overshoot and there's no catching up the intercept.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:46 pm to
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Managing all training and operations for a flying squadron used to be my job


Cool.

Any opinion on Night Vision Devices? Not a pilot but we trained with them and used them on deployment and I'm not a fan, Better than being blind but if there was ambient light nobody wore them. And god help you if there was a muzzle flash or explosion in your field of vision. I'm certain the optics/technology for aviation are better than what we had but it was difficult to judge distances accurately.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72063 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:47 pm to
Lemme rephrase my inquiry

Is the approach not a no-fly zone for riff raft traffic? It isnt such that only planes coming in to land are allowed in this chunk of space?
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20912 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:51 pm to
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One opinion
Sounds like the guy knows his shite.

I do think the helo was high too which was a definite contributor.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15287 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:54 pm to
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do think the helo was high too which was a definite contributor.


Yeah like I said this isn't going to be 100% fault.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7655 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:55 pm to
All depends on the airspace, but not necessarily. DCA has helo routes that have worked for a while. Helo pulled the double wammy of busting an altitude and not passing behind traffic.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37335 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:56 pm to
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Lemme rephrase my inquiry

Is the approach not a no-fly zone for riff raft traffic? It isnt such that only planes coming in to land are allowed in this chunk of space?
It seems like it is a stop sign intersection. Unfortunately when aircraft are landing at the primary airstrip vs 33 it is more of a yield sign for the helicopters. So they probably get used to not stopping.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26696 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:57 pm to
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Is the approach not a no-fly zone for riff raft traffic? It isnt such that only planes coming in to land are allowed in this chunk of space?

Simple answer is no, especially in an area like WDC and other airports around military bases. Honestly, most helicopters around also take off and land at major airports…

You suggesting that there should only be commercial airplanes inside the inner marker for every airport??

This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Steve Rogers
Bama
Member since Jan 2021
1140 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:58 pm to
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Cool. Any opinion on Night Vision Devices? Not a pilot but we trained with them and used them on deployment and I'm not a fan, Better than being blind but if there was ambient light nobody wore them. And god help you if there was a muzzle flash or explosion in your field of vision. I'm certain the optics/technology for aviation are better than what we had but it was difficult to judge distances accurately.



White light seriously affects your ability to judge distance through NVGs. I have a friend who is a BlackHawk IP at Ft Novosel I spoke with tonight and he thought that might have been a big factor.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72063 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:01 pm to
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You suggesting that there should only be commercial airplanes inside the inner marker for every airport??



No, I'm not suggesting anything. I just assumed that the glideslope for final approach would be off limits to anything not on final approach.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7655 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:04 pm to
I’d like to have heard the tower issue a left turn heading 150 for PAT. Then tell them to call the tower when they got on the ground. All of this would’ve been avoided.
There’s a point that a controller has to realize that the plan isn’t working, regardless of whose fault it is. Fix it, then get on PATs arse.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:07 pm to
Our good mate Gee Grenoille posted this on the Political Board and it is too good of a post not to share

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Here’s an interesting coincidence though. I know a girl who turned gay a while back and has been living that way for quite some time. She’s probably not even 30. I’m not sure what type of job she was in before but I know she was not in the service until very recently, maybe a couple years ago. Then all of a sudden I see a Facebook that she’s…..guess what…..a Blackhawk helo pilot.


So this lesbian girl in her late 20s joins the military and within 2 years is seen in videos piloting a military helicopter. I personally believe there was some legitimate effort to recruit based on sex and orientation.
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
91793 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:08 pm to
Stop trolling. Go away
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