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re: Too much money to Launder?

Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:50 am to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:50 am to
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You could probably spend 40-50k on gas and high end groceries in a year. You could launder a million dollars over 20 years that way


That's not laundering money, it's spending it. Every time we have one of these threads it's pretty clear most people don't understand the concept.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6607 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:52 am to
Just start a scrap/junkyard. Keep the cash in the trunks of junk cars. And do a business of catalytic converters/AC copper coils/wiring and such. With a seafood market in the front.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10503 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:52 am to
Drug lords have buried it in the ground for years.
Pablo Escobar supposedly buried so much that he couldn’t remember where he buried it. Farms have dug it up in their fields

Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:52 am to
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Yeah. It’s harder to move cash than drugs. People notice large sums of money.


The funny thing was I had a bunch weed edibles also in my carry on they didn’t say a word about. I was worried about those and didn’t even think about the cash.


I had a gf in college whose dad was laundering money through his car wash business. He had 3 or 4 of the do-it-yourself car wash places around the town he lived in. I never could figure out where all the ill-gotten cash was coming from, but he had several cop friends so I always assumed they had some drug ring going.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:52 am to
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casino

buy chips, play for an hour, cash in

basic Rockford Files 101




This would be my first thought as well (strangely enough I had a dream the other night about this very question). Only question is do casinos have any tracking or reporting requirements over a certain amount?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31313 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:56 am to
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Just start a scrap/junkyard. Keep the cash in the trunks of junk cars. And do a business of catalytic converters/AC copper coils/wiring and such


Stashing cash is not laundering money.
Posted by Bruco
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2016
2797 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:59 am to
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always thought storage facilities were viable.


This seems to make some sense as you don’t have as easy of ways to check on things like inventory purchases, water usage, etc.

The problem will be getting the initial loan, especially if you are trying to be cost effective and build it out where land is cheap, typically meaning low population density. Any decent bank underwriting team will really question the viability of the business. Your plan will also need to not charge grossly out of market rents and obviously having no experience in the business would hurt.

Then you need the fake leases for any units not actually rented and how the fake leases are paid.

Seems like if you could get 75% of so of the units rented with real tenants, you could fill the rest with month to month (which you could justify higher rent on) cash paying fake clients and maybe not catch any heat. That might also justify modest periodic expansion of units.

I don’t like the idea of paying people you know a few bucks to lease units they don’t need. The less people who know, the better, as with any criminal enterprise.

Would need to be disciplined and pay off the loan as quick as possible and get one less set of eyes on your financial statements.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31313 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:59 am to
I'm not sure how the casino chips route does anything to launder the money... You take $10k, get chips, and then turn the chips back into $10k cash. There's a record of the initial $10k. You haven't laundered anything and you're right back where you started.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 8:01 am
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:03 am to
Yeah, you’d have to get a check from the casino when you cash out. Not sure if casinos write checks if you used cash for the chips. Every time I’ve cashed out, I’ve gotten cash. But the most was only a couple hundred.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:09 am to
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Get it on foreign crypto exchanges. It can't be traced


There’s a lot to love about crypto as it relates to the state and it’s ability to confiscate funds or restrict transactions, and non-KYC exchanges are a great way to aid in anonymity; but your advice as a general rule with no additional caveats isn’t true.

You’d have better luck using a privacy coin, or if you are using Bitcoin make use of a tumbling/mixing service like the Wasabi wallet which uses coinjoin akin to how the internet uses VPN to make it extremely difficult to know who has custody of what, and then try to off ramp.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:19 am to
Panamanian trust followed by purchasing hard assets. Setup jewelry & import business in somewhere fun like Costs Rica. Profit.
Posted by Ajo Devil
Tempe, AZ
Member since Sep 2006
2428 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:22 am to
HOOKERS AND BLOW !
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:26 am to
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I'm not sure how the casino chips route does anything to launder the money... You take $10k, get chips, and then turn the chips back into $10k cash. There's a record of the initial $10k. You haven't laundered anything and you're right back where you started

I see what you're saying. In the dream I had it was someone who had money from the robbery of a bank or something like that. The worry was that the serial number of the money was tracked. The casino situation would seem to work for that unless they tracked the money they received to the customer.

I guess for more of a laundering situation where someone gets the money through some illegal occupation, maybe they could say they won it at the casino, unless of course the casino checked and said no you didn't.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:31 am to
You gotta launder through states like TN, Delaware, Florida etc... States that let you establish a business with pretty much nothing other than a po box. I don't remember the list but there are a few states where it is pretty easy to stay anonymous. You'll need an import/export business to be owned by a blind trust in one of the states where you can hide the names.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16469 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:33 am to
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The casino situation would seem to work for that unless they tracked the money they received to the customer.

I don't see how they could track it to the customer, but they track it to the till. And, when they do their count if there is anything suspicious they can watch the customer activity at that window. I would imagine that based on where the money is in the till, they can figure out a handful of suspects and just go from there.

Why not just deposit the funds in your bank, and then file your tax returns showing it as income from your new sales side hustle? Sill pay taxes, so IRS doesn't give a shite. And, if you ever get caught, they can't get you on tax fraud
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
72616 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:37 am to
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You could bury it somewhere, take up a treasure hunting hobby, go out with your metal detector and "find" it.




I have no idea of the law on these matters, but logic would tell me it had better be on land that you own.

Found money can be a strange deal... It sounds like a Simple Plan but...
Posted by KCkid
Kansas City, Mo.
Member since Oct 2015
134 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:38 am to
Knew a guy who owned 2 car wash/laundromats. Had 55 gal barrels stacked in his garage full of quarters. He said the water usage could be tracked to ballpark against income, so not as easy as people think to hide the money. But doable to an extent.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69211 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:42 am to
One thing about laundering. If you're paying taxes. You are less likely to get forensic auditors up your but which is usually the downfall of most top dollar criminals.
Real estate is the easiest way to hide it. I've long been convinced that many strip malls that stay empty are laundering fronts. Restaurants are good fronts but I was told the best front by far and the most common locally is the art gallery.
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
5995 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:52 am to
I've thought about this quite a bit. Crawfish stand.

Buy more pounds than what you can sell every day. Create fake transactions, and give away the extra crawfish to friends/family, etc.

You're losing money daily but can easily prove and show where the cash you deposit in the bank came from based on the pounds you are selling.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 8:53 am
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31313 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:52 am to
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Yeah, you’d have to get a check from the casino when you cash out.


That wouldn't matter. What you need is the back story and support to show how you got the cash to buy the chips in the first place. Which again shows that people on here don't understand the concept of money laundering.
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