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re: There should be little sympathy for college graduates struggling to earn a livable wage
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:57 am to StringedInstruments
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:57 am to StringedInstruments
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A lot of the faculty members I’ve talked to frequently say, I don’t know what’s going to happen to these students once they enter the working world. We’re not talking about, wow, they didn’t read Moby Dick. We’re talking about these fundamental critical reading and writing skills that students are really struggling to master, and maybe even don’t necessarily see the point of mastering
Won't the "working world " have changed along with this generation of students. Right now the previous generation or two own the working world and juxtapose their vision of the world on these new generation employees. What happens when the current gen is in charge ?
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:58 am to StringedInstruments
The ones that cheated to get through college will eventually out themselves through incompetence, but, in general, universities should be much, much harder on offenders. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to kick anyone caught cheating out of school. They shouldn’t have the same degree as the honest kids who did the work. They can learn their lesson at another lesser college.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:00 am to StringedInstruments
It doesn’t matter the level of education people have, things are far less affordable than they once were. Wages don’t keep up with the ever-increasing cost of living. It’s not sustainable and the deserving place to point fingers is at the politicians running the country
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:02 am to StringedInstruments
Unless they’re going into a specialized career like being an accountant, engineer, architecture, or law, the vast majority of college degrees are worthless. For years I’ve seen college kids come into our company and one of the first things they learn on the job is that little to nothing they “learned” in college translates to real world situations.
We spend at least a couple years or more teaching them the ropes of the business world they’ll be living in during their career. They’d come out better if they came straight from high school and enter into an apprenticeship with our company instead of wasting four years, or more, and hundreds of thousands of dollars on college.
FTR, I work in product support management for a rather sizable company known for making rather large yellow machines.
We spend at least a couple years or more teaching them the ropes of the business world they’ll be living in during their career. They’d come out better if they came straight from high school and enter into an apprenticeship with our company instead of wasting four years, or more, and hundreds of thousands of dollars on college.
FTR, I work in product support management for a rather sizable company known for making rather large yellow machines.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:05 am to StringedInstruments
You left out the part about the engineering nerds who did everything right still only earning dick while being the first cost center on the chopping block.
The dude in Pakistan does math and English just as well and appreciates his 2 dollars.
and what happened to welding and stuccoing our way to prosperity?
The dude in Pakistan does math and English just as well and appreciates his 2 dollars.
and what happened to welding and stuccoing our way to prosperity?
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:09 am to Vidic
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So thirty years ago you could afford a house after high school? Must’ve been nice.
Sure, my daughter (no pics) also bought a house in 2018 at 18 or 19 years old. May have been 2019. As far as me, I was actually 19, joined the fire service, worked a part time job also, and bought a house in the middle of the Shreveport ghetto.
ETA: My daughter was married fwiw. Her husband is a couple years older. Technically he bought the house, he works HVAC. She works now full time and they have since bought a bigger house, now with a baby.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:09 am to StringedInstruments
Most kids don’t read. I have two sons.
One is a voracious reader. He’s always been this way. He’s now 20 and reads about 20-30 books a year for pleasure. He doesn’t like electronic books, he is very peculiar about them (bent pages, etc). He will need a room for all of them by the time he’s old. He was rather unsure of what his major should be, tried business and took most of first two years of classes, hated it and recently changed to English. I don’t know what he will do with it but it fits him and I hope he finds a way to share his love of books with the world and earn a living doing it. He’s mostly a “B” student. He’s mentioned law school, but that’s seems so expensive for a B student.
My other son is “smarter”, better grades, more advanced classes to this point, higher test scores. He is 18. His biggest struggle this past year was writing a college essay that asked him about a book that had influenced his life. He couldn’t think of one. Probably never read one that wasn’t required since middle school. He just started college and is supposedly going to be a Finance Major.
As far as I know neither cheats at school. In fact the younger one was very upset about the number of friends who used ChatGPT to write their college entrance essays.
One is a voracious reader. He’s always been this way. He’s now 20 and reads about 20-30 books a year for pleasure. He doesn’t like electronic books, he is very peculiar about them (bent pages, etc). He will need a room for all of them by the time he’s old. He was rather unsure of what his major should be, tried business and took most of first two years of classes, hated it and recently changed to English. I don’t know what he will do with it but it fits him and I hope he finds a way to share his love of books with the world and earn a living doing it. He’s mostly a “B” student. He’s mentioned law school, but that’s seems so expensive for a B student.
My other son is “smarter”, better grades, more advanced classes to this point, higher test scores. He is 18. His biggest struggle this past year was writing a college essay that asked him about a book that had influenced his life. He couldn’t think of one. Probably never read one that wasn’t required since middle school. He just started college and is supposedly going to be a Finance Major.
As far as I know neither cheats at school. In fact the younger one was very upset about the number of friends who used ChatGPT to write their college entrance essays.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:10 am to StringedInstruments
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livable wage
Oh stfu
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:11 am to swamptiger99
For whatever reason they believe they deserve a starter home that is much closer to their forever home.
And if they realize the issue with the degrees and pay them choose better. Maybe a labor skill instead. What they are going to school is just not really needed.
And if they realize the issue with the degrees and pay them choose better. Maybe a labor skill instead. What they are going to school is just not really needed.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:12 am to StringedInstruments
It won't be easy, if not impossible, to cheat on a professional license exam.
Your guts will want to empty just before you hit that final button at the testing center.
Your guts will want to empty just before you hit that final button at the testing center.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:13 am to theunknownknight
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and Taylor Swift is their best icon.
And Trump is yours. Let me see, would I want my kid living like Taylor Swift (who gives back millions of dollars every year to cities she plays), or Donald Trump who treats everyone like shite and can't keep a business afloat while paying ugly porn stars for "sex".
Yeah, tough decision there chief.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:15 am to StringedInstruments
I saw an economic stat recently that we need to produce 200,000 jobs per month just to keep pace with the influx of illegals coming into the country. We are nowhere close to that even if it was a good idea to let them all in(which it obviously isn’t). How is this good for young people to flood the country with illegals taking jobs?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:16 am to moon
Highest inflation in 40 years. The gift that keeps on giving to our economy. Thanks Bidenflation.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:17 am to StringedInstruments
I was sold to go get my degree, and here I am, still getting offered the same wage if I didn't get my degree.
So yeah, I do believe I should get paid more for having a degree.
So yeah, I do believe I should get paid more for having a degree.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:18 am to StringedInstruments
For many students, college is pointless. My job is tangentially related to my bachelor's, but a degree really isn't necessary. It is the hoop I jumped through to get my foot in the door. Many, many degrees are just useless so I get why kids don't feel like the effort is worth it.
That being said, kids who can't read and write well are allowed to graduate high school and often even have decent grades. These kids are wholly unprepared for college. Before going back to work FT, I worked as a long-term sub at a high school, and I was amazed because many of the "best" students couldn't write a decent paragraph or use citations properly. I added a weekly writing assignment to the class and made them cite at least one source. I later had two students reach out to let me know that my class has really helped them prepare for college.
Basically, kids who shouldn't be in college go to college because they need that piece of paper to get a job. Colleges need those students so they force professors to dumb down their requirements because they need those students to pay the bills. It is a vicious cycle.
That being said, kids who can't read and write well are allowed to graduate high school and often even have decent grades. These kids are wholly unprepared for college. Before going back to work FT, I worked as a long-term sub at a high school, and I was amazed because many of the "best" students couldn't write a decent paragraph or use citations properly. I added a weekly writing assignment to the class and made them cite at least one source. I later had two students reach out to let me know that my class has really helped them prepare for college.
Basically, kids who shouldn't be in college go to college because they need that piece of paper to get a job. Colleges need those students so they force professors to dumb down their requirements because they need those students to pay the bills. It is a vicious cycle.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:24 am to StringedInstruments
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if those earning college degrees have cheated their way through.
This is a very broad generalization, as is most of your OP. Do some college students cheat? Yes. But they always have.
Are some young people socially awkward? Yes. But I have kids in that demographic and many of their friends are very well rounded and social, and are not the type you are portraying.
I don't disagree with you in general, but it's not as widespread as you describe. There are still talented and well-rounded graduates coming out of our schools.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:27 am to StringedInstruments
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According to the study’s findings, 60% of students acknowledged cheating most of the time, while 30% admitted to cheating at least once during an online exam. According to a prior survey, 80% of students participate in academic cheating.
Some of the best Doctors and Lawyers in the Country cheated on standardized tests because they were also earning a PhD in Networking at night. All of them earn more than a livable wage whereas those who never cheated on a test are working at Starbucks doning purple hair.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:31 am to swamptiger99
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I was sold to go get my degree
By who?
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and here I am, still getting offered the same wage if I didn't get my degree.
What is your degree in? what type of jobs are your working and/or applying for?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:39 am to Darth_Vader
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Unless they’re going into a specialized career like being an accountant, engineer, architecture, or law, the vast majority of college degrees are worthless. For years I’ve seen college kids come into our company and one of the first things they learn on the job is that little to nothing they “learned” in college translates to real world situations.
We spend at least a couple years or more teaching them the ropes of the business world they’ll be living in during their career. They’d come out better if they came straight from high school and enter into an apprenticeship with our company instead of wasting four years, or more, and hundreds of thousands of dollars on college.
This is the truth for many jobs. If you get a person smart enough to cheat their way through to obtain a worthless credential just so they can get a job that unnecessarily requires it, props to them. I'm not saying this is the case with all of the current graduates, but before going all in bashing on this current batch like the op, I'd like to see the jobs that are requiring some of these degrees. Many jobs that never used to require a degree, now do, unnecessarily.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:43 am to MrLSU
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Some of the best Doctors and Lawyers in the Country cheated on standardized tests because they were also earning a PhD in Networking at night.
Within any field, there are very gifted people who are plenty competent to succeed on their merits who also are morally corruptible enough to seek any edge to get ahead. They have done the work but cheat to make sure they get an A+ instead of a A. Think Barry Bonds in baseball or the doctors and lawyers you describe.. These people are the outliers.
The vast majority of college cheaters are those that did not do the work and could not pass without cheating. These people are almost always known to their peers immediately and to their superiors eventually.
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All of them earn more than a livable wage whereas those who never cheated on a test are working at Starbucks doning purple hair.
Or, the ones that never cheated actually are smart and did the work to improve themselves and are now very successful.
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