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Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:12 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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Can somebody please explain why now slight deviations in climate, weather, CO levels etc. is now the fault of mankind,
I don't think that anybody denies that there have been climate swings in the past. I think the main debate is how much influence does human activity have on it now.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:20 pm to Penrod
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The way we fix this is as follows:
1. Stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere from plants that make ammonia, gas plants, and oilfields, for example. Instead, capture these and pump them underground for long term storage.
2. Transition away from burning natural gas and start using hydrogen instead. We do this by taking the natural gas, breaking it into hydrogen and oxygen, burning the hydrogen, and venting the oxygen.
3. Use this hydrogen, with solar and wind power, to supply the power grid.
4. Transition vehicles from gasoline and diesel to electric so that they can be charged using the green(ish) power above.
5. Mass produce plants (the first is being built right now in Texas) that suck in air, remove the CO2, and sequester the CO2 underground.
6. The most obvious of all, which the left wing nuts aren't even considering, is to use nuclear, which is cheaper and greener than all of the above. Instead Obama et al are letting nuclear plants be shut down. This shows how serious they think the problem really is.
If we did all of this, the CO2 levels dropped, and it actually had an affect on the climate, wouldn't this cause a cool down and do just as much or worst damage than "global warming"? We could enter another ice age. I'm pretty sure people would pick warmer weather over colder weather.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:39 pm to Suntiger
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What happens when these CO2 rocks break apart or come to the surface? Does it expand and make new mountains, fall apart and make a hell mouth?
Very good question. We have been keeping up with the latest on this. The government, with a lot of help from industry experts, have settled on the best reservoir types for this. Initially some of us thought that depleted oil or gas reservoirs were good candidates, but the number of well penetrations makes tham too risky for just what concerns you - CO2 leakage back to the atmosphere.
Saline drive reservoirs are what the industry has gravitated towards.
You can read more about the challenges here
I can tell you that the area under, and around, Lake Maurepas will be the main storage area around New Orleans.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:41 pm to Centinel
quote:This is the only answer
Because there's money to be made.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 2:45 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
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Correct, but the rate at which it has fluctuated is now much quicker time-wise than in the past
We don't have the ability to see in small intervals millions of years ago
If the theory is that temps went up too fast from 1900-2000 AD, we have no idea whether that also happened naturally from, say, 6,423,186 BC - 6,423,086 BC.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:03 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
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More severe than ice ages, massive warming periods, worldwide flooding and century long droughts? Because all that happened before man was here
And yet the greenhouse gases measured in the atmosphere today are unprecedented since an asteroid struck earth 66,000,000 years ago, blasting the atmosphere with ash, soot, debris, and expelled gases, quickly killing off the dinosaurs.
"Well, of course an asteroid throwing stuff into the atmosphere jacked up the Earth and killed living things. But metric shite tons of greenhouse gases thrown into the atmosphere over a 150 year period at an ever-increasing rate has no affect!"
I mean, this really isn't that difficult to understand. The only reason to ignore the truth is the fear of admitting you're wrong.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:05 pm to kciDAtaE
Fossil fuels, for the US, is the more immediate of the big issues in pollution.
We better fund privately and publicly, reforestation for our own sustainability vs Europe and the Levant deforesting themselves over centuries.
So it's a non-issue here.
So here it's fossil fuels, trying to figure out how to actually recycle, and letting industry and regulatory bodies duke it out.
We better fund privately and publicly, reforestation for our own sustainability vs Europe and the Levant deforesting themselves over centuries.
So it's a non-issue here.
So here it's fossil fuels, trying to figure out how to actually recycle, and letting industry and regulatory bodies duke it out.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:07 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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And yet the greenhouse gases measured in the atmosphere today are unprecedented since an asteroid struck earth 66,000,000 years ago, blasting the atmosphere with ash, soot, debris, a
I like how you just state the atmospheric data from 66,000,000 million years as an absolute fact. It’s quite hilarious actually
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:15 pm to RidiculousHype
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We don't have the ability to see in small intervals millions of years ago
That's a fair point.
I don't know if I'd bet the house on the possibility that the temps/emissions also sharply increased back then, but it's definitely plausible due to lack of data.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:21 pm to mmmmmbeeer
If you and all the liberals are right we should immediate ban all products from China, place sanctions on them and India. But you know they won't do that, just like they wont close the border to prevent the spread of the Chinese flu. It's all political and how much much money they can put in their pocket and how bad they can hurt conservatives.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:33 pm to McCaigBro69
Next to happen: Sharknadoes.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:38 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
More than half the existence of the earth CO2 levels were so high that humans would not be able to exist.
Both poles were swamps and marshes.
Both poles were swamps and marshes.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:42 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Hell, over the last 35-40 years we are basically still coming out of the mini-ice age that lasted from the late 1600's till the 70's. Hence the warming of the last 4 decades or so.
"Climate change" is the biggest scam brought upon the human race in modern human history.
"Climate change" is the biggest scam brought upon the human race in modern human history.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:43 pm to Penrod
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I don't think that anybody denies that there have been climate swings in the past. I think the main debate is how much influence does human activity have on it now.
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Penrod
Thanks for the link. I’ll have to read that later.
And thanks for the level headed conversation on this to the people who are actually discussing it.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:51 pm to Suntiger
Also, whenever I hear "mUh, hOtTeSt yEaR oN ReCoRd!", I have to laugh b/c temperature logs/records have only been kept for about the last 150 years or so. (Since the 1870's). So how the Hell do they know that? We know the Earth was much hotter in its earlier days.
These guys are FOS. And I have always considered myself a weather nerd.
These guys are FOS. And I have always considered myself a weather nerd.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:19 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
I’m more worried about a polar shift than climate change, but climate would certainly change if that happened.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:42 pm to Clovis Pilgreen
Basically no one says global warming anymore. Thats how you know its all bullshite.
They can say climate change and be rt because the climate does change.
They can say climate change and be rt because the climate does change.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:46 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Also, whenever I hear "mUh, hOtTeSt yEaR oN ReCoRd!", I have to laugh b/c temperature logs/records have only been kept for about the last 150 years or so. (Since the 1870's). So how the Hell do they know that? We know the Earth was much hotter in its earlier days.
The entire earth gets cooled by volcanic eruptions. yet people wont speak about the year without summer.
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The year 1816 is known as the Year Without a Summer because of severe climate abnormalities that caused average global temperatures to decrease by 0.4–0.7 °C (0.7–1 °F).[1] Summer temperatures in Europe were the coldest on record between the years of 1766–2000.[2] This resulted in major food shortages across the Northern Hemisphere.[3]
So all you have to say is oh look the earth is hotter now than the 1850s. Well no shite the earth was cooler due to volcanic eruptions. So we are now back at the earth temps of the 18th century.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:51 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Also, whenever I hear "mUh, hOtTeSt yEaR oN ReCoRd!", I have to laugh b/c temperature logs/records have only been kept for about the last 150 years or so. (Since the 1870's). So how the Hell do they know that? We know the Earth was much hotter in its earlier days.
These guys are FOS. And I have always considered myself a weather nerd.
Ice layers. Sedimentary layers. Tree fossils.
Air bubbles in ice tell us about air quality, greenhouse PPM going back millions of years.
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