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Theological question
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:12 am
Atheists, Secularists, Agnostics no need to reply. We all already know and respect your position. This question is not for you.
This quote from Jesus…..
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14, NASB).
My question is this… If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
Another example….
"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of an is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." - Jesus Christ (Mark 14.21)
Judas was born to betray Jesus and then suffer for eternity. Does this make any sense at all?
Any knowledgeable Christian theologians please try and explain how this is even remotely fair or makes any sense at all.
This quote from Jesus…..
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14, NASB).
My question is this… If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
Another example….
"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of an is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." - Jesus Christ (Mark 14.21)
Judas was born to betray Jesus and then suffer for eternity. Does this make any sense at all?
Any knowledgeable Christian theologians please try and explain how this is even remotely fair or makes any sense at all.
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:13 am to Geekboy
Can we get an old school Chuck Norris thread?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:14 am to Geekboy
Will the narrow gate keep out fatties?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:15 am to Geekboy
God’s sovereignty and human responsibility is a paradox. It’s like climbing a mountain and losing oxygen, the more altitude you climb, the less your brain can function.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:16 am to Geekboy
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Judas was born to betray Jesus and then suffer for eternity. Does this make any sense at all?
I don’t believe Judas betrayed Jesus. He pleaded with Jesus about it and was basically told he had to. The “man” in this instance is society, imo; those that pushed pilot to execute.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:17 am to Geekboy
It’s free will. Judas wasn’t destined to betray Jesus, but given the opportunity he chose the wide gate.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:18 am to Geekboy
God gave us free will, we were born with free will, and I'm sure you know what that means. Angels had it too, God wants you to love him unconditionally, to choose to love him that's why we have the free will. Either you do love God or you don't, the choice is yours. So, you can say people or human beings choose their own eternal suffering by choosing not to love God and doing the wrong things called sins. You know what sins are, that's why there's a bible to read.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:21 am to touchdownjeebus
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I don’t believe Judas betrayed Jesus.
But Jesus told his disciples at the supper party that one of you will BETRAY me. You mean to tell me the whodunit is still a go?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:21 am to Geekboy
quote:
If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
He doesn't. Only fools would believe this. It is often the same fools that think that only (Christmas, Muslim, Judaism, etc) is THE ONLY path to "salvation".
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:22 am to Geekboy
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Judas was born to betray Jesus and then suffer for eternity. Does this make any sense at all?
Have you considered Judas was the MVP apostle? He had the hardest job of all… executing the play that elevated Christ to redeemer.
Just like God.
Knowingly sending your most cherished love, your son, to be slaughtered and crucified.
If God, and Judas, are willing to make those calls and follow through on them for us, wow, how much love do they have for us?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:23 am to Gaston
quote:
It’s free will
This
God loves far more than we understand. Love can't be forced. Love is a choice.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:23 am to tucoco
quote:
God gave us free will, we were born with free will, and I'm sure you know what that means. Angels had it too, God wants you to love him unconditionally, to choose to love him that's why we have the free will. Either you do love God or you don't, the choice is yours. So, you can say people human beings choose their own eternal suffering by choosing not to love God and doing the wrong things called sins. You know what they are, that's why there's a bible to read
In the end, we all fall short and sin…we might have a choice, but none of us make that choice without the will of God and the help of the Holy Spirit.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:25 am to Rouge
God Bless you Heathens
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:26 am to Dawgfanman
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In the end, we all fall short and sin…we might have a choice, but none of us make that choice without the will of God and the help of the Holy Spirit.
Slow down. Can of worms opened.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:32 am to Rouge
Just because God knows what someone will/did choose doesn't preclude that person's free will to make that choice.
The parable of the gate to salvation does not speak to the restrictive nature of the path but rather to the willingness of those presented with the opportunity.
The parable of the gate to salvation does not speak to the restrictive nature of the path but rather to the willingness of those presented with the opportunity.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:35 am to Geekboy
"...how this is even remotely fair or makes any sense at all."
There really isn't anything close to fairness in the whole of God's actions.
There really isn't anything close to fairness in the whole of God's actions.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:36 am to Geekboy
Humans, Judas included, have a choice. God knows what the choice will be but each of us still has the opportunity to choose between good and evil.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:37 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Will the narrow gate keep out fatties?
The 10 commandments will.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:44 am to nealnan8
I've wondered if God loved his earthly children more than his only begotten son. Or, did he understand fully that his only begotten son would bounce back spectacularly. And if so, is said gift really much of a sacrifice.
Of course, I'm just an earthly child and knowing the how and why of these actions are above my pay grade.
Of course, I'm just an earthly child and knowing the how and why of these actions are above my pay grade.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:48 am to Geekboy
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If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
Simply put, he didn't. He created something he loved deeply and gave that creation paradise. A paradise for him to have dominion over, where he didn't "work" he was completely taken care of - food was plentiful, water, the weather was perfect so no need for shelter even. Hell, he didn't even have to wear clothes.
God so loved his created that he gave him free will. This perfect created could make his own choices and in order for him to truly have to have free will he had to have just one choice. To eat, or not eat from the tree of knowledge. Everything was going along well, dude was living the life. Yes, he may have been a little lonely since he only had all of the animals, fish, and birds as companions.
Then, God made this wonderful created a "partner" (we know this partner as woman). Everything went to hell after that. I am kidding a little but in the beginning, there wasn't death, there wasn't sin, there was only the freedom to sin. The fall created the narrow gate. The fall brought on the suffering.
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