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re: Theological question
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:49 am to SlimTigerSlap
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:49 am to SlimTigerSlap
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And if so, is said gift really much of a sacrifice.
To be honest, if you have to give up your son to save billions and billions of people, and you don’t, you’re sort of an a-hole.
Downvote away
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:50 am to TheGasMan
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To be honest, if you have to give up your son to save billions and billions of people, and you don’t, you’re sort of an a-hole.
Downvote away
I wouldn't, lol.
Additionally, he only gave him up for 3 days.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 9:54 am to TheGasMan
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To be honest, if you have to give up your son to save billions and billions of people, and you don’t, you’re sort of an a-hole.
Have you looked around American culture lately? Realize he gave up his son for this shite?
Then you realize how much he loves people. That blows my mind.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:33 am to Geekboy
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Judas was born to betray Jesus and then suffer for eternity. Does this make any sense at all?
The question of Judas is one I’ve contemplated at length. Did he have free will or was he “born” to betray Jesus (fated)?
What if he didn’t betray Jesus? What would’ve happened?
Is it fair that Judas is damned for eternity?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:33 am to SlimTigerSlap
"... the how and why of these actions are above my pay grade."
This will be a very unpopular opinion, but I don't think that there is anything wrong with saying that we really don't know everything about God's nature or his plans.
Not all of the answers are in the Bible. All of the questions are, though....
This will be a very unpopular opinion, but I don't think that there is anything wrong with saying that we really don't know everything about God's nature or his plans.
Not all of the answers are in the Bible. All of the questions are, though....
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:33 am to CoachChappy
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Did he have free will
Everyone does. We choose life or death.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Christianity.com
Here’s a link that discusses my questions. It’s still one of those mysteries that’ll bug me until I get upstairs and get an answer
Here’s a link that discusses my questions. It’s still one of those mysteries that’ll bug me until I get upstairs and get an answer
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:44 am to Geekboy
quote:Uh ... God works in mysterious ways.
My question is this… If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
Posted on 5/27/23 at 10:46 am to TheGasMan
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To be honest, if you have to give up your son to save billions and billions of people, and you don’t, you’re sort of an a-hole.
Its a choice.
Spirituality is something you receive and explore. Its active, and changes you inside. Not outside.
You don't have to accept grace. You can do everything on your own if you are happy with the results.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:09 am to TheGasMan
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To be honest, if you have to give up your son to save billions and billions of people, and you don’t, you’re sort of an a-hole.
This is 'under-framing' the sacrifice both the Father made in sending His Son and the Son made when dying in our place.
We were helpless, ungodly, sinners, enemies when Jesus expiated (took away the filth) and propitiated (took away the wrath) of our sins. See Rom. 5:6-11.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:14 am to Geekboy
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My question is this… If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
Great question. Many, many books written on this. Bottom line: what He does, He does for His glory. If we try to impose our standards of fairness or justice on what God does, we will go awry. The Bible teaches both that God is sovereign over people and that people are responsible (free will if you want to call it that). The moment you think you have those reconciled you can be sure you are wrong. Not near enough space here to go deeper, but Romans 5 is a good start.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:16 am to Geekboy
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My question is this… If God is all knowing, if God loves all of us, why would he intentionally create and bring into existence something he loves knowing they would suffer for eternity?
There is a question that precedes even this; why did God create mam, any man, image bearers at that, to begin with?
IMO, the answer can be found in how the story begins (Gen. 1) and how the story ends (Rev. 21-22). God wanted: 1) a people for Himself who would choose to worship, love, serve, and obey Him against the backdrop of competing alternatives. And 2) God wanted a person (bride) for His Son. "It is not good for man to be alone . . ."
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:16 am to Geekboy
You're posing a deep moral and philosophical question to a group who look for moral and spiritual guidance in the identities of who appears in beer commercials.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:17 am to Geekboy
God is not bound by time. He knows the beginning and the end. He knew you before the world was created. Everything has been done for those who choose life with Him and His Son. He let's you choose Him or Satan. He didn't create you to burn in hell, but if that is what you freely choose, then that is on you. He sent His only Son to die as the perfect sacrifice for our sins. What more do people think He needs to do? And yes He knew that Judas would betray Him before he created him and everyone else.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:18 am to Geekboy
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:19 am to Geekboy
Don't over think it try not to be a-hole
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:21 am to Geekboy
The gate is narrow
But yeah. The simple answer is we all have free will.
But yeah. The simple answer is we all have free will.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 11:50 am to nitwit
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You're posing a deep moral and philosophical question to a group
I see a bunch if individuals with diverse ideas.
Dumbass.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 12:39 pm to gungho
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Romans 5 is
And Romans 9. He creates both for his saving grace and those for destruction.
Also, in response to another post… Jesus was always the plan, even from the beginning of creation.
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