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The US is Neglecting its Smartest Kids (NPR Article)

Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:27 pm
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So it's not surprising that his grandkids got him wondering about — and researching — a big question: How well is the U.S. educating its top performers?

His answer: not very. "High achievers are being neglected in all sort of ways by schools that had no incentive to push them farther up."


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1. Just 8.8 percent of U.S. students are classified as "high achievers" in mathematics, according to the most recent international assessments. That's well below the average of 12.6 percent for affluent nations.

2. No Child Left Behind, the 2001 federal law, incentivizes "just getting kids over a bar," Finn says. "In the public policies affecting our schools — state and federal — there's almost no incentive to boost a smart kid up the scale or take someone who's 'proficient' and push them to 'advanced.' " [We've written before about proficiency and the tendency, under high-stakes testing, for schools to focus resources on kids who are "on the bubble."]

3. It's not just the federal government. Finn says efforts to improve schools in the states, as well as most philanthropic efforts, "have concentrated almost exclusively on low achievers and bringing them up and closing gaps from the bottom up."


this really is one of those subjects that irks me (not b/c i was neglected. calcasieu parish did a pretty good job with its gifted kids)

my philosophy in terms of public allocation of resources is that we need to invest in those most likely to produce, rather than invest in those lagging behind and try to get them to average. the last point really sums up my problem with our public educational system. two of the commenters nailed it.

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This has always been the case in my experience. The best and brightest are assumed to be able to fend for themselves. School systems (at least the public ones) are paranoid about segregating kids by ability levels...


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This has been my greatest criticism of the public school system. One has only to compare the amount of funding we spend on "special" needs students to see the gross inequality. We invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in the education of children who are less likely to find gainful employment than a golden retriever- while we don't even have a classification to identify the gifted children! The gifted child would excel with even a modest amount of extra attention and the flexibility to learn at their own more rapid pace instead of being shackled to the slowest common denominator. The gifted student is ignored- because they're not a problem child. If we spent as much money developing the gifted as we do supporting the "special"- our gifted students would have gone on to find a cure for the "special" already! When will our culture pity wasted potential as much as we pity those who are "special" and throw money at them?
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:30 pm to
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If we spent as much money developing the gifted as we do supporting the "special"- our gifted students would have gone on to find a cure for the "special" already!


No business spends more money on it's lowest performers and none on its higher performers.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:30 pm to
This article has a lot of truth to it.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:31 pm to
while I tend to agree, I'll say that the majority of "gifted" students are getting plenty of help and support at home, while the lower students are more than likely not
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:32 pm to
Gifted students are problem children. They can cause some of the worst hell in the classroom if they are neglected, bored, and unchallenged.

We put 48% of our effort and resources to help Johnny 1 learn how to carry an organized notebook to class. Another 48% goes to Johnny 2 to make excuses for his criminal behavior that disrupts the learning of others. The remaining 4% goes to the average students who are good and quiet.

The gifted ones are routinely shat on and typically given a resource teacher in elementary school, one that often disappears by middle school.

It should also be noted that gifted students aren't just smart and do not just test well. Being labelled gifted means that you think differently and much more creatively.
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:34 pm to
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Gifted students are problem children. They can cause some of the worst hell in the classroom if they are neglected, bored, and unchallenged.



You just described my niece perfectly.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:35 pm to
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One has only to compare the amount of funding we spend on "special" needs students to see the gross inequality.


There are steps each state can take to correct this. Here in New Mexico "Gifted" students fall under the umbrella of Special Education. With all of the funding that accompanies it.

Both my kids are gifted. They had to be recommended for the program by at least two different teachers and then go through multiple rounds of testing to get in to the program.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:35 pm to
If you cater to the lowest common denominator what you you expect. Idiocracy was prophetic.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:35 pm to
You know what has always bothered me about you, Slow? You always have been solid in my book and you usually have smartypants things to say, but why in the world don't you capitalize the first words in your sentences or use punctuation?

Just always wondered...I'll hang up and listen.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:35 pm to
I made this exact point a year or two ago on here.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:36 pm to
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not b/c i was neglected. calcasieu parish did a pretty good job with its gifted kids


Modesty suits you bro.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23298 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:36 pm to
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Gifted students are problem children. They can cause some of the worst hell in the classroom if they are neglected, bored, and unchallenged.

We put 48% of our effort and resources to help Johnny 1 learn how to carry an organized notebook to class. Another 48% goes to Johnny 2 to make excuses for his criminal behavior that disrupts the learning of others. The remaining 4% goes to the average students who are good and quiet.

The gifted ones are routinely shat on and typically given a resource teacher in elementary school, one that often disappears by middle school.

It should also be noted that gifted students aren't just smart and do not just test well. Being labelled gifted means that you think differently and much more creatively.


I was in the public school gifted and talented program..........was constantly in the principals office for not paying attention or inciting other students..........

The only hour I was challenged was the hour with the GT teacher and I turned out alright.......

Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:36 pm to
NCLB was really a terrible piece of legislation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:36 pm to
when you have a group of gifted kids who have been together for years it can get really bad. my class was psychological hell. one 2 years after me was torture. our teachers would readily admit that they weren't as smart as us and they often grew paranoid b/c we could almost talk in code or make comments that seemed legitimate for the discussion but were really serious insults towards the teacher or other students.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481226 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:37 pm to
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You know what has always bothered me about you, Slow? You always have been solid in my book and you usually have smartypants things to say, but why in the world don't you capitalize the first words in your sentences or use punctuation?

i do sometimes but it's mostly for speed
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:38 pm to
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we don't even have a classification to identify the gifted children!


That's what Cerebro is for!
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

when you have a group of gifted kids who have been together for years it can get really bad. my class was psychological hell. one 2 years after me was torture. our teachers would readily admit that they weren't as smart as us and they often grew paranoid b/c we could almost talk in code or make comments that seemed legitimate for the discussion but were really serious insults towards the teacher or other students.


Wow, I actually agree with you on something.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:39 pm to
Pandering to smart people doesn't get you elected to the school board. This isn't rocket science.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34343 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

when you have a group of gifted kids who have been together for years it can get really bad. my class was psychological hell. one 2 years after me was torture. our teachers would readily admit that they weren't as smart as us and they often grew paranoid b/c we could almost talk in code or make comments that seemed legitimate for the discussion but were really serious insults towards the teacher or other students.

It's sounds like you were in with a group of smart assholes. Many teachers, stupid ones, would hate you. I would love for a class like that. You get a chance to challenge them. Of course, I'm a smart a-hole too just with more experience, LOL
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17861 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 3:39 pm to
Nothing is going to be fixed anytime soon. Until then, Magnet programs and private schools are the best options for those kids.
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