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re: The sinking of El Faro

Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:50 pm to
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Sounds like he was a little apprehensive after getting fired from his previous command for making a call regarding safety.


Yep, it sucks that you can be bullied, but you should always stand your ground and go with your gut. I've told many companies to frickoff when it came to bad weather and high seas. Some people care more about thier job than their life and the lives of their crew. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't. 100 percent the captain's fault on this one. May the crew RIP.

Posted by jlntiger
Member since Feb 2011
1615 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:52 pm to
Did they ever find the couple or the boat? I remember reading about them but never saw an update
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59350 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:00 pm to
I used to work for a trucking company and would routinely have to call people from HD Supply to explain why we can’t be on time due to 3 foot snow drifts across the interstate. They would still try to argue with me at times
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:03 pm to
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Old ship. Outdated instruments. The instrument that measured wind speed hadn't worked in months...


Not even a factor. I’ve ran that route more times than I can remember with way less instruments and have never had an anemometer on board. What is an anemometer going to do for you? You’re in a fricking hurricane. Only a fool skirts or tries to skirt a tropical storm/hurricane. The captain fricked up, plain and simple.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
72844 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:11 pm to
Crazy that they didnt have rail launched enclosed life boats on a ship that size.

Eta: not that it would have saved them. Theyd likely have been beat to death.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24485 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:14 pm to
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Crazy that they didnt have rail launched enclosed life boats on a ship that size.


This. I can't believe that wouldn't be a standard update? Seems like this is the #1 reason the entire crew died?
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:19 pm to
Its easy to say but the ship was old and im not really suprised. More crazy to think capt sent it right into the eye of a cat 4 hurricane. Overconfident in an old tub and not wanting to be late
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
12226 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:30 pm to
I gave up on Vanity Fair a long time ago and I would totally have missed this. Thank you again for posting the link. I've read it twice and even gotten out old charts we happen to have. I tend to stay inland for hurricanes and I had never thought of islands as wave breaks. Maybe more people should look at islands that way.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17754 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:05 pm to
The southern Shore of Long Island, NY has a “barrier Island” that breaks storm surge and waves. If it were not for Fire Island, a million ppl would be flooded during every hurricane or nor’easter
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41692 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:24 pm to
Very interesting read.

Between this and the river pilots thread, I feel like the O-T is giving me some maritime education this week.

Early on the article, it said a ship was lost every 2-3 days??? That's insane.

Also, this was a Jones Act flagged vessel. Defenders of the Jones Act often will say that having a US flagged vessel results in a safer journey. Given how the story was told, clearly that did not apply here. This was almost 100 percent human error - either in the actions they did or did not take during the trip, or the decisions to not pay for better information.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:19 pm to
There would have generally only been a mate and an AB on watch as the captain would have assuredly closed the deck off from day work due to weather. But in 30 to 40 footers, I assure you nobody was sleeping
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:26 pm to
The couple is gone. I believe parts of the boat were found and identified.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 6:18 am
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16891 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:50 pm to
I was surprised to read that the captains family was one of the families who recieved compensation. It seems like there should be some blame on his part.
What do you think?
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
72844 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:43 pm to
The jones act is to keep taxes in the us and keep US shipbuilding in business. Thats about the extent of it.
Posted by just1dawg
Virginia
Member since Dec 2011
1495 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:21 pm to
That was a really interesting read. Thanks for linking to it.

Vanity Fair actually sometimes has some excellent writing. Their story on Air France Flight 447 is terrifying.
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
18408 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:39 pm to
great read, im shocked how composed the crew were on the bridge the entire time.


no way i would have been as calm as they were...some brave souls on that ship
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:42 pm to
Oh the NTSB definitely blamed the captain for putting the ship and crew in harm's way to begin with. But some people say the captain was scared to delay arrival by too much because he was under pressure from TOTE management. Of course management has denied that but unfortunately when the entire crew dies, you end up only getting half the story.
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
27272 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:43 pm to
Just got around to reading this. Such a horrible way to die. "...for those in peril on the sea..."
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106105 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:04 pm to
Man, I wanted to bang my head while reading that. Totally avoidable.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30584 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:14 pm to
I wonder how it went down for everybody? Did some go down with the ship? Did anybody jump into the sea knowing they would be tossed like a rag doll?

I just can’t imagine how the mind works when death seems imminent.
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