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re: The President: America benefits when oil prices increase

Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:50 am to
Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:50 am to
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Remember in his first term when oil prices actually went negative, he practically begged congress to let him fill the SPR.

I remember futures were briefly negative on 4/20. I also remember some multi trillion dollar spending bill, with outrageous money printing with stimmies and ppp fraud for all. Then there's the fact we actually refilled about half that reduction, just in time for someone to start dumping it August through last week of October. Can't imagine why the unloading pt 2 stopped at the election. It sounds an awful lot like
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Biden tapped into the reserves to get an economic stimulus to help him win an election.

Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
5649 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 8:52 am to
You're lucky. Those with diesel - pumps literally shut off before filling the tank (when almost empty) at a higher price point.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41089 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:00 am to
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to relieve oil shocks caused by supply disruptions.


Which also happened in 2022 when Russia kicked off their war in Ukraine.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10609 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:03 am to
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I do believe back then there was some sort of law or Congressional mandate for periodic releases from the SPR, because I remember around 2023 or 2024 discussions for that mandate to be repealed.


It was a law. I can’t remember when it started, but I think it was supposed to be about reducing deficit but congress often just spent it anyway without much of a deficit reduction overall. The idea began in part because of how much Bush had filled it. These sell offs gradually started to reduce it.

I do remember the Dems blocking Trump from refilling as much as he wanted when oil took a dive initially with covid. I think it required extra funding which they would not allow. I can’t remember their reasoning. Maybe they thought it would help oil’s stock when leftist hedge funds were buying up the stock to get seats on the board of Exxon and others.

It would have been a relatively cheap way to increase its levels which considering Biden’s Autopen selling it off due to effect of Russia Ukraine war and sanctions and those board seats not completely changing oil companies like they wanted it kind of backfired on them or on us I guess.

EDIT: Found this so it might have started in 2015.
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Instead of passing balanced budgets, in 2015, Congress mandated that the U.S. Department of Energy sell SPR oil to fund its deficit spending.

Since then, the DOE has sold SPR reserves to the highest bidder through competitive public auctions to anyone in the world. During the Biden and Trump administrations, foreign companies with direct ties to American adversaries purchased SPR oil for anti-democratic regimes.

In 2022, in response to energy policies he implemented that directly contributed to high energy costs and inflation, President Joe Biden instructed the DOE to release 1 million barrels of SPR oil a day for 180 days. Chinese companies benefited from the sale, purchasing large quantities. The 2022 release was the largest SPR sale in U.S. history, according to US Energy Information Administration data.

Biden left the SPR with less than 395 million barrels of crude oil.


You can see the decline starting in 2015 with the sell off law. There was was a small spike under Trump where it jumped up some before going down again. Some time around then is when Trump wanted to fill it with covid induced low prices, but again Dems didn’t allow it. Then you see Biden’s Autopen 2022 draining of it.

Here are some of the IEA coordinated drawdowns outside of the “deficit reduction” automatic drawdowns authorized by Congress.
https://www.energy.gov/hgeo/opr/history-spr-releases

https://fortune.com/2024/06/06/biden-sold-off-nearly-50-of-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve-is-that-a-problem/

Biden’s Autopen and congress authorized additional selling off it 2024
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Section 308 of the 2024 Consolidated Appropriations Act mandated that "the Secretary of Energy shall draw down and sell one million barrels of refined petroleum product from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve during fiscal year 2024" and then "carry out the closure of the Northeast Gasoline Supply Reserve."
https://reason.com/2024/07/03/energy-department-turns-ordinary-gasoline-sale-into-major-announcement/
This post was edited on 3/13/26 at 9:41 am
Posted by williamfrench3559
Member since Mar 2026
128 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:03 am to
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Which also happened in 2022 when Russia kicked off their war in Ukraine.

But that's (D)(I)ffe(R)ent.
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19442 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:04 am to
I wonder if gas prices are a democratic hoax too. Like affordability is a democratic hoax, and the Epstein files are a democratic hoax.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29227 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:07 am to
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to relieve oil shocks caused by supply disruptions.


Which also happened in 2022 when Russia kicked off their war in Ukraine.


This is absolutely true, though many Trumpists don't want to admit it.

But to be fair (with the Letterkenny chorus), Biden's rhetoric during the 2020 campaign, his 30 day moratorium on new O&G projects on Fed Lands, and his cancellation of the Keystone XL project across Fed Lands didn't give the market good warm and fuzzy feels about domestic production.

You're absolutely correct he, by himself, wasn't the sole reason for the 2022 escalation in oil prices, but he sure as hell wasn't helping with his constant false demagoguing of the U.S. oil & gas industry.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14055 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:29 am to
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mainly increased revenue into the national treasury


I don't give a frick about how much money the treasury has until my taxes go down. shite does me no good because I pay for my own groceries, don't run Learing Centers, and don't care about overthrowing the Ayatollah.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78409 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:33 am to
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other than there's times where the Feds "take in kind" some oil in lieu of royalty payments


Pretty much. Just a trade system with payback. Different reasons why they take place. Exxon took some barrels last year because they had process issues and lobbied that their frickup would hurt gas prices. Feds bailed them out in something never seen before.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29227 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 9:52 am to
Thank you. I like graphs and stats.

Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21128 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:06 am to
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You can see the decline starting in 2015

Looks stable af between late 2011 and March 2017 to me



2011-Oct 10/07 695,956
2020-Feb 02/24 695,076

LINK if you'd like confirmation on these numbers
This post was edited on 3/13/26 at 11:09 am
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:31 am to
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
34222 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:34 am to
Legitimately curious, but has the political board always been far right?

I’m right in the middle on a lot of subjects but if anyone says anything negative of Trump over there, it’s 10 to 1 downvotes

Has it always been like that?
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10609 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:44 am to
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Legitimately curious, but has the political board always been far right? I’m right in the middle on a lot of subjects but if anyone says anything negative of Trump over there, it’s 10 to 1 downvotes


Why are supporters of Trump just lumped into to being part of the far right? Or did you mean has the board always consisted of a majority of posters who are conservative or on the right?

Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:44 am to
You think Trump is far right?
Posted by Hobie101
Member since May 2012
1090 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:49 am to
Let's name a bridge after him
Posted by tigerbater
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
692 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 11:50 am to
Because people who actually listen to him are retards. Take a look at the Political Board for confirmation of this.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
34222 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 12:03 pm to
He is Teflon Don. The guy ran on a platform of being the peace president and ending all wars and ending the Ukraine war in 24 hours. Oh yeah, and releasing all the Epstein files

They would die before saying negative about their supreme leader
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55557 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 12:38 pm to
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I don't give a frick about how much money the treasury has until my taxes go down. shite does me no good

I understand your frustration, but you are simply incorrect here. It does indeed do you good. It means your government creates less money. And when your government creates money it is a secret tax on you.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
14026 posts
Posted on 3/13/26 at 12:39 pm to
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Any of you whinny poors ever thought what happens to oil prices when Iran sets off a nuke in Israel, or even New York or D.C.?


Buncha downvotes which is fine. But not a single one of you downvotes have the balls to come on here and dispute what I said.
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