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re: The pipe problem at the MSY will go on forever...
Posted on 8/1/19 at 9:48 am to Anaximander
Posted on 8/1/19 at 9:48 am to Anaximander
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I am NOT an engineer
You actually think this is the first time someone tried to build in the soils in the New Orleans area?
All underground piping in these areas has an engineered hanger assembly system required to attach to the building slab. With the slab being pile supported so the soil doesnt even support he slab. withing a few years, there will be pockets under the building with no soil. and is simply sinks away. some project doent even back fill the foundation with soil, but use foam blocks instead.
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Posted on 8/1/19 at 9:49 am to Motorboat
quote:Until fecal matter is boiling up out onto the floor.
To be fair, no really cares about engineers' opinions either.
A literal “Oh shite!” moment.
The New Orleans Aviation Board would fit nicely culturally into the Chicago political landscape.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 9:52 am to Anaximander
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I would add that after initially allowing media access to the site there has been a ban since August of last year.
this is inexcusable
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Trump should tweet about the corrupt MSY project and rat infested clogged drain NOLA
Prince Cedric Richmond
Prince Cedric Richmond
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:05 am to Anaximander
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We have been sending information to the news media for months on the airport. The access road is still not complete, but WDSU and the Advocate report that it was completed for the mid May scheduled opening date. … You can not open an airport without an access road. Today WWL reported the 6-8 inches of sinking and still sewer line problems.... We told the City Council in April that we had received 2 messages from reliable sources that there was sinking. At the May council meeting the airport staff stated those reports were false.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:10 am to Anaximander
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I would add that after initially allowing media access to the site there has been a ban since August of last year. This story was filmed at the old airport
WDSU February Report
So they weren't allowed in?
Not saying the project isn't some form of cluster, but the rumors and 'insider info' on this project has been laughable at times.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 10:12 am
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:52 am to tgrbaitn08
Look at where the resteel is in the slab 
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:59 am to JusTrollin
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Look at where the resteel is in the slab
That's how they pour concrete in NOLA. The rebar helps catch the crumbling, unreinforced concrete so you won't notice the real problem for years.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:04 am to Anaximander
Gallons of Flex Seal. 
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:20 am to Motorboat
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To be fair, no really cares about engineers' opinions either. Some weird dudes.
Well, if they did, the toilets might work.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:28 am to Sid in Lakeshore
There was a really horrible movie made in New Orleans named On Hostile Ground.
https://youtu.be/RtKpKJKy1Sw?t=4430
There was a giant sinkhole hundreds of feet deep under the city and they sprayed a crapload of stuff like this to fill it in. We just need a big arse can.
https://youtu.be/RtKpKJKy1Sw?t=4430
There was a giant sinkhole hundreds of feet deep under the city and they sprayed a crapload of stuff like this to fill it in. We just need a big arse can.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:53 am to MorbidTheClown
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But, they shot down that idea for the new place because it was too expensive.
AKA: Value Engineered Out of the Project
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:57 am to ForLSU56
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But, they shot down that idea for the new place because it was too expensive.
AKA: Value Engineered Out of the Project
Of course there is some expense to cutting over 100 holes with diamond blades and then repouring slab.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:02 pm to upgrayedd
SWB and Murphy Paul are saying “hold my beer” today.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:07 pm to Anaximander
But the ones that "value engineered it out" can/will lay the blame the contractor, etc.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:29 pm to ForLSU56
The contractors did the value engineering. This is a major FUBAR. They need to make names... much of the "easy" mechanical stuff was filed out to City-approved under represented contractors. I was there.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 1:39 pm to Trevaylin
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poor engineering, design, construction is not a feature of very large project but rather a management failure
That is correct. Many larger civil engineering firms are very good at having unqualified people manage projects. I would be interested to know who the geotechnical firm/engineer was on this project.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:01 pm to tgrbaitn08
Is the slab reinforcing steel in the right place?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:01 pm to CivilTiger83
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That is correct. Many larger civil engineering firms are very good at having unqualified people manage projects. I would be interested to know who the geotechnical firm/engineer was on this project.
Did some more digging and my suspicions were confirmed...
LINK
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SHARE The New Orleans Airport Board (NOAB) has selected the Crescent City Aviation Team, a joint venture (JV) of LEO A DALY and Atkins, to offer design services for the development of Louis Armstrong New Orleans | International Airport in Louisiana, US.
Hearing the description of the work being done definitely gives me pause...
Description of Building Process for MSY
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Building in a Swamp
The airport’s location on reclaimed swampland presented additional challenges and delays for the project. The most recent delay came in September, when an inspection revealed that nearly 2,000 ft of the project’s 12-in. main sewer line was sagging because of subsidence in the swampy soils. The original design relied on gravity to move the sewage out.
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Contractors took steps to address the soil issues even before the project broke ground. They started by fortifying the swampy soil, hauling in 1.8 million cu yd of sand to compact the ground below the site, then let the sand settle for 240 days. That meant delivering 460 to 600 truckloads of sand dredged from the Mississippi River to the site six nights a week for 47 weeks, while also ensuring that construction traffic was not overly disruptive to surrounding neighborhoods.
I would guess that they did not adequately stabilize the underlying soil, and these problems will persist and cause additional issues over time. If your foundation isn't set, you have a mess on your hands.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 2:04 pm to Anaximander
quote:Verot School Road expansion come to mind.
How many have you been on where they have to cut over a hundred holes in the slab just before the projected open? And where they won't or can't even identify the issue.
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