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Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:43 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
None of that screams justification for involuntary manslaughter. I know many will disagree with my opinion, and that's fine.
It is a very dangerous slippery slope if these people are successfully prosecuted over that list of things you posted as "evidence".
Also, as I pointed out, there are no CAP laws at a Federal or Michigan state level so you can throw out the allegation of them checking for the gun.
What you are left with is them ignoring the drawings and a school counselors suggestion. Does that come across as involuntary manslaughter to you?
It is a very dangerous slippery slope if these people are successfully prosecuted over that list of things you posted as "evidence".
Also, as I pointed out, there are no CAP laws at a Federal or Michigan state level so you can throw out the allegation of them checking for the gun.
What you are left with is them ignoring the drawings and a school counselors suggestion. Does that come across as involuntary manslaughter to you?
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:44 pm to stout
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Teacher reported a disturbing note on Ethan's desk, including the following:
-Semiautomatic handgun pointing at a note: “The thoughts won’t stop, help me”
-Bullet with “Blood everywhere” written above it
-Drawing of a person appearing to be shot and bleeding
-Notes reading, "My life is useless" and "The world is dead"
I'd say that's a pretty obvious sign something is wrong and it was brought to the parents' attention meer hours before he shot the school up. It could have been prevented.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:44 pm to TigerInGrayton
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If you can go to prison for that then there’s millions of Americans testing their luck
Lol what?
They went and bought and a handgun specifically for a 15yo? Then were notified twice by the school that something wasn’t right with him. Then went to a conference at the school about your kid’s write ideations? Then deciding the kid should stay at school after drawing his murder fantasy in class. Knowing your son is having these issues and leaving the gun in your nightstand?
That’s pretty clear negligence.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:45 pm to stout
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None of that screams justification for involuntary manslaughter. I know many will disagree with my opinion, and that's fine.
It is a very dangerous slippery slope if these people are successfully prosecuted over that list of things you posted as "evidence". Also, as I pointed out, there are no CAP laws at a Federal or Michigan state level. So what you are left with is them ignoring the drawings and a school counselors suggestion.
Yeah i dont know how the parents are criminally liable for this in a legal sense
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:47 pm to sgallo3
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Yeah i dont know how the parents are criminally liable for this in a legal sense
I can see the civil liability but no way are they criminally liable
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:49 pm to mays
I'm curious about the timeline when he started shooting til the dad called 911. Kid starts shooting, 30 minutes later the mom texts him not to do it, so she must have somehow known it was him doing it. Then it takes another 15 minutes for the dad to call the cops??
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:50 pm to hikingfan
I’m sure they feel “demonized” since they are fricking demons.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:51 pm to stout
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None of that screams justification for involuntary manslaughter.
"Under Michigan law, the involuntary manslaughter charge filed against the parents can be pursued if authorities believe someone contributed to a situation where there was a high chance of harm or death."
The text messages, the kid's drawings, the meeting, the refusal to take him home, the refusal to acknowledge there was an unsecured weapon in the home (with pictures of him handling it), all adds up to a pretty damn easy case for the prosecution.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:52 pm to RebelRye
Holy shite. That's infuriating.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:53 pm to stout
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Yeah i dont know how the parents are criminally liable for this in a legal sense
I can see the civil liability but no way are they criminally liable
I agree with you in principal, but I can see a scenario where they knew an attack was imminent and they did something to encourage it. Maybe they had a self shooting firearm like Alec Baldwin.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:56 pm to stout
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I can see the civil liability but no way are they criminally liable
I think its enough of a question for a jury to decide on the criminal side. Let a jury decide based on the standard of Michigan law.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:59 pm to Duke
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I think its enough of a question for a jury to decide on the criminal side. Let a jury decide based on the standard of Michigan law.
I don't disagree but I still think its a slippery slope where emotions over logic will be the deciding factor since it's a school shooting.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 5:59 pm to hikingfan
Death is imminent.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:00 pm to stout
Well, we got our next big TV trial all set up.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:07 pm to stout
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If these parents are responsible for manslaughter then there are a lot of parents in the inner cities that need to be rounded up
I agree.
In the other thread I brought up the 11 year old Chicago boy who is a "prolific carjacker". If you are responsible for raising a kid that has, on multiple occasions, stuck a gun in the face of an innocent person and stolen their vehicle, to the point that be has been labeled "prolific" you are a problem. You are a contributor to the problem to society that your child has become.
You raised, or are in the process of "raising", a child who left your home multiple times in the middle of the night with a fricking handgun and stole multiple people's vehicles. You are part of the problem.
Prosecute the parent(s) to fullest extent of the applicable laws and hold them accountable for the failures that they are. I promise that if you do that a whole lot more people would miraculously start giving a shite where they otherwise clearly do not.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:10 pm to stout
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I don't disagree but I still think its a slippery slope where emotions over logic will be the deciding factor since it's a school shooting.
If we lived in a time where you could have faith in our judicial system, you wouldn't have near the concern. As I said, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the applicable laws and let the jury decide. There's no need to drum up charges. There's no need to railroad anyone. Yet, it will 100% be a circus that is, as you said, governed by emotions rather than law.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:21 pm to LegendInMyMind
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applicable laws
What are the applicable laws to the parents here? Let's be specific.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:23 pm to Shexter
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