- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The Lost Cause lied to you. Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:47 am to magildachunks
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:47 am to magildachunks
quote:
The both of us are going to be down voted for stating a fact and told that we have to look at the underlying nuance instead of taking what was actually said or inked on paper to heart.
Why wouldn't the merchant class be anti secessionist over tariffs? CSA capped tariffs at 10% while the Yankees imposed Morrill tariff was initially going to be 25%. Those tariffs benefitted one class of people at the expense of another.
0
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:56 am to magildachunks
This is why when someone says, simplistically, "The Civil War was fought over slavery," you can dismiss them, more or less out of hand, as easily as you can those who say, "The Civil War was not about slavery."
The war had extraordinarily complex causes, mainly the 2 "sides" had grown increasingly distant and bitter. There were extreme divisions between economic classes, rural versus urban, agricultural versus industrial, nativists versus inclusivists, ethnic divisions, cultural divisions, etc.
The long simmering dispute was epitomized in slavery, but lest we forget, there were plenty of Yankees who were more or less fine with slavery, but were unwilling to allow the Union to be dissolved over it (e.g U.S. Grant) and made maximum effort to secure victory for the North.
Southern leaders no less than Robert E. Lee himself personally detested the institution and thought secession was foolish. However, duty-bound, he served the Confederacy as ably as he could.
The average Yankee soldier was no more fighting to free the slaves as the average Rebel soldier was fighting to maintain that peculiar institution.
The "engine" of the war was a complex machine made of hundreds of moving parts. Slavery was not THE cause of the war, but it was the fuel that engine ran on, for sure.
The war had extraordinarily complex causes, mainly the 2 "sides" had grown increasingly distant and bitter. There were extreme divisions between economic classes, rural versus urban, agricultural versus industrial, nativists versus inclusivists, ethnic divisions, cultural divisions, etc.
The long simmering dispute was epitomized in slavery, but lest we forget, there were plenty of Yankees who were more or less fine with slavery, but were unwilling to allow the Union to be dissolved over it (e.g U.S. Grant) and made maximum effort to secure victory for the North.
Southern leaders no less than Robert E. Lee himself personally detested the institution and thought secession was foolish. However, duty-bound, he served the Confederacy as ably as he could.
The average Yankee soldier was no more fighting to free the slaves as the average Rebel soldier was fighting to maintain that peculiar institution.
The "engine" of the war was a complex machine made of hundreds of moving parts. Slavery was not THE cause of the war, but it was the fuel that engine ran on, for sure.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 7:12 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
The idea that the average southern white was sympathetic with the north/aboltionism
What about the idea that the average northern white DGAF about slavery, but fought to preserve the union? Which was Lincoln's stated goal at the onset.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:12 am to magildachunks
My ancestors fought with the confederacy as they were promised tribal sovereignty had the union lost.
Oklahoma wasn’t a state yet but was more pro confederate overall. Many people from the south moved there post war to start a new life. Many in southeastern Oklahoma. So much that it was nicknamed “little Dixie”. Several from Mississippi and Alabama.
Oklahoma wasn’t a state yet but was more pro confederate overall. Many people from the south moved there post war to start a new life. Many in southeastern Oklahoma. So much that it was nicknamed “little Dixie”. Several from Mississippi and Alabama.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:29 am to magildachunks
So a guy wrote an article giving his opinion - much like today’s propaganda news sites. Got it.
That being said, he writes nothing I didn’t already know today. Most I learned in middle school and high school American History courses. The rest I learned as an adult by reading books. There are always alternate perspectives and anecdotal stories.
JS.
That being said, he writes nothing I didn’t already know today. Most I learned in middle school and high school American History courses. The rest I learned as an adult by reading books. There are always alternate perspectives and anecdotal stories.
JS.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:32 am to Ace Midnight
Agreed… slavery as an issue was no more than a weapon of war. There is a reason the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate held territories. .
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:13 am to magildachunks
quote:
"It's the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
That’s every war
Yet smooth brains eat up whatever narrative the winner dreams up after the fact
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:14 am to TigerChick2018
quote:
There is a reason the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate held territories. .
Meaning it didn’t free a single slave because the confederacy was a separate country and not under the authority of Lincoln in the first place
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:15 am to magildachunks
My ancestors weren't in the US yet
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:19 am to HeadSlash
Many of my ancestors, during the Civil War, were American Indians.
The Dago side didn’t show up for a few more decades
And the Euro part that was here, that descended from King Alfred, was busy banging said American Indians and scalping the white man
They weren’t concerned about the blacks in the least - but I guess I am still somehow racist and guilty of something my ancestors didn’t give two shits about
The Dago side didn’t show up for a few more decades
And the Euro part that was here, that descended from King Alfred, was busy banging said American Indians and scalping the white man
They weren’t concerned about the blacks in the least - but I guess I am still somehow racist and guilty of something my ancestors didn’t give two shits about
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:44 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
What about the idea that the average northern white DGAF about slavery, but fought to preserve the union? Which was Lincoln's stated goal at the onset.
Between 25-45% of the Union army were new immigrants, or sons of immigrants. Germans fleeing Europe after failed revolution, Irishmen escaping the famine made up most of these immigrants. Then there were Canadians and Scandinavians to a lesser degree.
It was easier to get these immigrants to fight and kill Confederates who they had no common relationship to whatsoever.
^^^ which makes me think about the current immigrant status. If their choice was to either be deported, or take up arms as offered by the Fed Gov, which do you think they would do when they have little to nothing to lose?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:35 am to magildachunks
quote:
The wealthy planters are the ones who put the Democrats in place for the sole reason of Seceding.
Then explain the sections of the south that voted for neither Democrat candidate, but instead voted for the Constitutional Party candidate, John Bell, and his VP candidate from MASSACHUSETTS. Bell carried the counties in the south where the largest concentrations of cotton/sugar cane were produced by the super planters.
One must recognize the great disparity in the word “planter.” Some say a planter was anyone owning 20 slaves. Some say 50.
The conservative planter I’m referring to owned hundreds of slaves and multiple plantations.
If they, as you put it, “put the Democrats in place for the sole reason of seceding,” why would they support the CU Party and neither the Northern Democrat (Douglas), or the Southern Democrat (Breckinridge)??
Google a county by county map of the 1860 election and you’ll see that in the Deep South, the CU Party support is exactly where the largest planters had their operations. You will also see lots of CU Party support in the upper south Great Smokies area who felt they didn’t have a dog in the fight and wanted to be left alone.
With all that said, there’s no doubt that a small “planter” would not share the same political views of a large planter.
The large planters had their money. They would survive the war with wealth. Even today there are descendants owning the same lands.
The small planters and dirt farmers would be ruined by the war they screamed for, not realizing that the South had little chance against the North.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:44 am to CSATiger
quote:
wrong, 7 of my 8 GG Grandfathers volunteered and served in the Confederate Army
It's a testament to your strength and perseverance that you've survived the shame.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:45 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Meaning it didn’t free a single slave because the confederacy was a separate country and not under the authority of Lincoln in the first place
Not according to Lincoln
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:53 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Meaning it didn’t free a single slave because the confederacy was a separate country and not under the authority of Lincoln in the first place
According to who? Neither the Union nor any foreign country recognize the Confederacy as an independent country.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:54 am to magildachunks
Tldr
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:10 am to Nado Jenkins83
These lost cause nuts act like Yankees were only pissed at the south because of slavery. There’s plenty of other reasons for someone in the union to fight in the civil war. We forget how fricking annoying and demanding the south was prior to the Civil War, so just giving them a deserved arse whooping was good enough for some.
The south was just some insufferable racist crap hole that couldn’t even obtain Allies to help it out. Time to let it go and move on Johnny Reb.
The south was just some insufferable racist crap hole that couldn’t even obtain Allies to help it out. Time to let it go and move on Johnny Reb.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:19 am to Galloglaich
Brian kelly killed a kid at notre dame
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:24 am to magildachunks
Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy
—mine did. Voted for secession in state legislature & fought for the CSA.
Saw action in battle. Not a scratch.
—mine did. Voted for secession in state legislature & fought for the CSA.
Saw action in battle. Not a scratch.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:31 am to udtiger
quote:
Mexican War,
There was considerable opposition to the Mexican-American War by Northern States and abolitionists. It was seen by many as a war to spread slavery.
Page 5 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News