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re: The Growing Movement to release the Parricidal Menendez Brothers…

Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:58 am to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:58 am to
2 things can be true at once.

The dad was abusive to some extent, thus likely had it coming. The brothers planned and executed the execution of their mother and father, thus deserved to be locked away forever or put down like dogs.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85220 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:58 am to
I believe he was molesting them. I didn't at the time. I now think I was wrong. But they really makes no LEGAL difference to me for all the reasons everyone has elucidated here. Although it does give a slightly more understandable psychological/criminal motivation.

I would love to see the breakdown by SEX of those who want them to stay incarcerated and those who don't. I'm guessing a huge percentage of their support are under 40 women who are much more sympathetic to such things.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31658 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:00 am to
What happened to the family fortune?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40212 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:00 am to
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They blew their parents heads off with a shotgun.


IF the pedo parents thing is true, then sounds like those boys did right.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:05 am to
quote:

I believe he was molesting them. I didn't at the time. I now think I was wrong.


what changed your mind?
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
4594 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:08 am to
Any parent that knows and turns away deserves to be hanged 1st. Than the molester. Publicly.
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1413 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:10 am to
Eh, downvote away but i wouldn't be hugely pisssed if they were set free after 30 years now. There's more and more evidence that the dad was an abusive POS. More evidence is coming out that they tried to get help regarding the dad and tell people they were being abused. Looks like they tried telling mom but she was absolutely no help. I'd be willing to chalk this one up to a crime of passion and let them go at this point if the evidence is there. Yeah I think they wanted the money more than anything but it sounds more and more like their shitty parents kind of had it coming. If they let dudes out of jail eventually after blowing away a guy that was banging their wife and call it a crime of passion I'd let this one go too. Sounds like absolutely nothing of value was lost. I'll also add that while I think they did want the money and that was one of their primary motivations, I don't think they're going to get a big pile of money now after all this so I think it's a somewhat fair tradeoff that they get set free but be broke when they get out.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 11:16 am
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
85220 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:11 am to
Maybe the "evidence" was always there. I think in 1990 I saw the smirks and just thought it was phony and it rings true now. The way they slowly revealed it. The character traits of the father which is almost universally consistent from coworkers and family. The way they incredibly-weirdly wanted to defend their dad's reputation after they blew his brains out. Kind of like the psychological behavior that an earlier poster wrote, it is all rape-trauma type response. And then the contemporaneous stuff from family members.

But in the end, I don't have any special insight or opinion. I could be 100% wrong and I'm not married to any of it. It's just more of a hunch based on observation of human behavior.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73052 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:17 am to
fair enough. it’s a true toss up for me. at moments i whole heartedly think he was grooming and raping them as boys. While at the same time, like you, the laughs/smirks/lies often pulls me in the other direction.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
68761 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:22 am to
They very well could get a new trial based on the letter Erik wrote to his cousin before the murders talking about abuse by his father that was found in some storage locker or something. In the last trial the judge limited the testimony of alleged abuse. Another televised Menendez trial would be….. interesting
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24836 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:23 am to
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IF the pedo parents thing is true, then sounds like those boys did right.


IF is a big word. I can tell you for sure they blew their heads off with a shotgun.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85622 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:28 am to
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If they can prove that they were sexually assaulted, especially to the degree claimed…..let em out. If not……

Y’all claim national Plauche day every year, but say to hell with these guys?



Did Plauche seek out another family member of the guy and murder him too?

People keep forgetting they murdered their mother. You nor anybody will ever have any evidence the mother was in on sexually assaulting her children.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
369 Cardboard Box Lane
Member since Nov 2019
13896 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:28 am to
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What's the evidence of this other than the statements provided by the brothers AFTER the double murder?


I think one of the Menundo group members recently said he got raped by the dad. It was probably Ricky Martin since he caught the ghey.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88331 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:30 am to
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I think one of the Menundo group members recently said he got raped by the dad.


all of the #metoos seem to have delayed but amazingly convenient recall
Posted by mrservon
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
470 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:38 am to
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But they wanted the money


BINGO!

This is the real reason right here. IMO, they wanted their inheritance. Which is why they knocked the mom off too. Needed her outta the way because they likely knew she had power of attorney over the dad's estate in the event of his passing. Not because they wanted to "end her suffering". That's horse & bullshite mixed together.

Well documented that they went on a lavish spending spree shortly after, all while playing up the victim card that their parents were just brutally murdered.

They could have left the abusive parental relationship. But that would mean they likely would have had to give up their privileged lifestyle. They intentionally did NOT choose that path.

They CHOSE to kill their parents & create a false alibi. Only when they realized the gig was up after the one brother spilled the beans, did they again play the victim card. Those motherfrickers are sociopaths. Through & through.

Were their parents pieces of shite?? By all accounts. YES.
Did the dad sexually abuse both boys?? Allegedly. But no evidence was ever produced beyond a reasonable doubt.
Did both boys lie in wait to murder their parents with shotguns? YES.

The sexual abuse angle in my opinion was brought on by their legal defense team who were likely motivated by the national attention that the case was getting, but more so for the potential of a huge payday considering the father's estate.

Greed was the motivation behind the murder of those two folks, plain & simple. Erik & Lyle don't deserve to step foot outside of a prison for the remainder of their days.
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7074 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:42 am to
If they are released, what will they do the next person they perceive to be wronging them ?
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
18861 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:46 am to
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were not held against their will, went into their parents house, were not threatened at time of murder thus no self defense, and murdered their dad. Oh and then murdered their mom who never physically abused them.


This.

They weren't trapped. This was premeditated. They also killed the mom who they even say never touched them. Then they went on a spending spree.

This isn't kids trapped in their parents' house feeling like they can't escape any other way. This wasn't them in the middle of being abused protecting themselves.

Can all victims of abuse shoot their abusers years later in a premeditated fashion? That's the precedent we'd set.
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1413 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:51 am to
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Can all victims of abuse shoot their abusers years later in a premeditated fashion? That's the precedent we'd set.

Not coming down completely one way or the other but, yes, they can, in some cases. It's called imperfect self defense and they discuss it in the show. Not saying this is what happened here but if you're being abused by someone and they control your whole life, are you supposed to wait until they're in the act of killing you to answer back? Or should you catch them while they're sleeping or something?
Posted by mrservon
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
470 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:52 am to
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You nor anybody will ever have any evidence the mother was in on sexually assaulting her children.


Exactly. The defense attorneys knew that.

Their two main evidential arguments to prove sexual abuse were:

A.) testimony from an aunt that claimed when Eric was 9 or 10 years old, he allegedly told her he was sexually abused by his father. The Aunt then claimed that she confronted the mom about it, to which she denied. Then the Aunt admits that it was never mentioned again. She never talked to Eric about it, nor the parents.

B.) naked photos of the boys when they were young that were found in the house. the claim that the dad, being the sexual predator that he was, took these photos & kept them because he was a pedophile.

None of the above can be definitively proven to be true. The jury also saw through all that BS.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127764 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:52 am to
quote:

They very well could get a new trial based on the letter Erik wrote to his cousin before the murders talking about abuse by his father that was found in some storage locker or something. In the last trial the judge limited the testimony of alleged abuse. Another televised Menendez trial would be….. interesting



If a New Trial was ordered, there's little chance that Gascon would try it again. He'd just let them go
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