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re: The gloves are off regarding St. George...
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:37 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:37 pm to Topwater Trout
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We can agree to disagree b/c over the years I'm sure many more dollars have been spent on the corporates areas..this is semantics. Pick one project that fits the agenda and dismiss all the others.
Well, it wouldn't have made sense for money to be spent in the unincorporated areas back when hardly anyone was living there and there wasn't a need.
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:45 pm to urinetrouble
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A lot of the other issues are gaining steam as people see St. George being attacked by BR politicians trying to keep their hands on $52m a year belonging to St. George.
Where is this number coming from?
Pull up the BR budget and get to the General Fund Sources, which is around page 334 in the 2013 budget.
It breaks down where the funding for each thing comes from and what happens to the money.
The parish (unincorporated areas) covers the cost of 100% of all parish offices / spending and, on average, about 40% of all city offices / spending.
The parish tab under these calculations comes to $66.8M in the 2013 budget, with the parish providing an additional $45m in "local services agreements" to the city, which is all money left over after the parish offices and services have been paid for.
That $45m is counted toward the $225m that Baton Rouge spends as part of that 60-40 split as well as on additional items that are paid for 100% by the city of Baton Rouge, such as the Fire Dept. and Police Dept.
That amount is projected to be $52m in Kippy's 2014 budget.
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Take out all line items listed as being paid 100% by Baton Rouge and you're left with $71.6m in spending. These are all the items marked as 60-40 or 50-50 with the parish.
The $45m I mentioned above is a transfer from the parish to the city to pay this, meaning that the parish ends up paying closer to about 75% of the freight on the "shared" portions of the budget, even though the budget states 60% is paid by the city.
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This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:47 pm to urinetrouble
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Well, it wouldn't have made sense for money to be spent in the unincorporated areas back when hardly anyone was living there and there wasn't a need.
"Hardly anyone was living there"?
Essen, Perkins, Bluebonnet, Siegen, etc., have been thriving for 15+ years, closer to 30+ years in Essen's case.
This is not like trying to justify a ton of spending on Pride or Cheneyville in the rural northeastern part of the parish.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:04 pm to bbap
I really don't know much about who is who and specifics of all these City issues, but I will say that a lot of people are going to decide how they vote on this based solely on despising current Board Members and their mindset. I mean, these are people that are completely comfortable with Complete Failure. The more failed something is, the more in their element they are.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:09 pm to bbap
I work downtown and a lot of people eat lunch out there. It was funny to watch when the Grinch Stole Christmas while jogging.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:13 pm to urinetrouble
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Well, it wouldn't have made sense for money to be spent in the unincorporated areas back when hardly anyone was living there and there wasn't a need
building up infrastructure PRIOR to people and businesses building definitely is not part of the EBR parish/BR plan....for ex. build Perkins Rowe and THEN improve the roads...stupidest shite I have ever seen. What is the planning and zoning commission for?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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What is the planning and zoning commission for?
Just like a HOA, to steal your money.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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What is the planning and zoning commission for?
"Getting payoffs from preferred developers" would be my guess.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:29 pm to TDsngumbo
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You watch and see if the black community in Baton Rouge doesn't get pissed and turn it into a racial issue if St. George incorporates....
Turn into? It's already a race issue. It was a race issue for the opposition from day one. Have you not seen all the national "hit pieces" written over the last two months? Every single national article written has described the movement as "Wealthy white people look to 'susceed' from BR". All the same articles were written about the unicorporated areas of Atlanta and Fulton county that have done the EXACT SAME THING over the last few years (will pretty good success).
The sad thing about the race argument is that those arguing such are basically arguing "we don't, can't, and won't provide for ourselves, so if they leave who's gonna pay for us?"
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:32 pm to teke184
yep
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:34 pm to Alt26
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Wealthy white people look to 'susceed' from BR
yes and those who aren't wealthy alreay want to succeed in BR. In order to do so, they have to remove the huge anchor from around their neck. The anchor being the failing parts of BR.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:47 pm to Alt26
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The sad thing about the race argument is that those arguing such are basically arguing "we don't, can't, and won't provide for ourselves, so if they leave who's gonna pay for us?"
This is the bottom line for this issue. It's really sad. But of course, you are a RACIST for pointing that out.
The funny thing is, the St. George proponents really only wanted their own school district. It was the same people who are now against the COSG who forced it to come to this by opposing the new school district. They left the SG people with no other option.
eta: Except I wouldn't say that they "can't" provide for themselves. That they "don't and won't" provide for themselves is 100% accurate though.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:55 pm to MRTigerFan
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eta: Except I wouldn't say that they "can't" provide for themselves. That they "don't and won't" provide for themselves is 100% accurate though.
Maybe not 100% accurate, but definitely VERY far above 50%.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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What is the planning and zoning commission for?
I have a lot of experience dealing with PC and have some friends that work over there. Their job is to make sure all new developments meet design ordinances. If developments don't meet the UDC requirements, the developer can apply for a waiver. it is then up to the PC to recommend or deny the approval to City Council. City Council ultimately has the final say, and I've seen them go against the PC recommendations many many times. City council is the one "getting payoffs from preferred developers."
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:03 pm to jbgleason
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Regarding Delgado, I know this isn't the Poli Board but it seems apropos here.
I try to avoid government as much as possible and certainly don't ever ask anything of my elected officials but I finally needed to call his office for something. I asked to speak to him directly and left my contact info. He had his "assistant" call me back and she wouldn't put him on the line. You would have thought I called the White House. I finally went ahead with my request through her and, you guessed it, they did absolutely nothing on the issue. Now that I hear he is a lawyer and is threatening to sue over this St. George thing I have placed him firmly in the AssHat category.
arse-hat, a local home grown one too, he'd last 5 seconds outside Baton Rouge with his tactics.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:08 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I'd disagree that it's a vanity project. It has greatly affected downtown and it's overall revitalization.
Dude.
Jack Warner & Brandon Landry have done way more to revitalize the downtown area than that traffic monstrosity has.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:14 pm to Tommy Patel
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arse-hat, a local home grown one too, he'd last 5 seconds outside Baton Rouge with his tactics.
He, and several other council members, are doing more harm to East Baton Rouge right now than St. George has.....and the division they are creating won't be easily repaired.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:15 pm to teke184
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Maybe not 100% accurate, but definitely VERY far above 50%
It's 100% accurate for >50% (I would guess around 70%) of the people who live inside BR city limits.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:20 pm to urinetrouble
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urinetrouble
Don't you live in Dallas?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:22 pm to Camp Randall
where does this arse clown live? I'm sure its in the poor part of town
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