re: The future of the 8-5, M-F, daily work commute?

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Baby Tac

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Quoting ur post from 8:27am Central on a work day.. we are both posting on the OT, i dont see how it matters if we are doing it from home or in an office .

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I'm for a trade off, either you have to work an hour more per day when TWing or you get paid more if you go into the office.

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How about you get paid for how productive you are, regardless of where that productivity takes place? Seems like a wild concept, right?

Also, going into the office costs the corporation more money, so the employees who are increasing expenses (via leases), should get paid more? That seems backwards.

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Or, my personal favorite, “Got a minute?”

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Guilty

Covid seemed to prove the remote thing doesnt work well long term

Productivity dropped a lot after a month or 2 at home

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If you WFH, you probably have a fake email job and don’t truly contribute to society

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I'm OK with that.

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If you WFH, you probably have a fake email job and don’t truly contribute to society

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I work in IT core infrastructure (data center, cloud) for one of larger companies in LA.

WFH is very common in this field. It was fairly common before Covid too though.

I have people I've worked with for 12-13 years and have met in person once or twice

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If you WFH, you probably have a fake email job and don’t truly contribute to society

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most WFH jobs keep the world running in the background

I’m not against WFH but I feel like a lot of the pushback against it could be fixed by adjusting working hours. I don’t need 40 hours a week, 8 hours a day to get my job done.

I’d happily work 8-2 in an office M-F.

These threads are always funny as we get people in completely different industries/roles talking past each other, making generalizations based on their own personal experiences, without even telling everyone what they actually do.

I work in the EPC projects business, in a customer-facing role. We’ve gone to a hybrid schedule FWIW.

I don’t necessarily need people to be at the office 9-5 M-F, but they need to be available 9-5. This was an issue at the start of the WFH stuff during COVID. Many people would just make up their own business hours under the guise of “well, as long as I’m getting my work done who cares?” The problem is that sometimes there are urgent requests that need to be addressed quickly to avoid frickups, cost impacts, and ultimately pissed off customers. I will say that people seem to finally be catching on to this.

I’m also a big proponent of learning through osmosis, and I think that’s one of the biggest things we lose out on (in my industry) with full-time WFH. A lot of folks can learn to do one specific job working remotely. Learning our business and becoming promotable is a different conversation.

Meetings are another factor. Interestingly, I’ve grown partial to having meetings over Teams instead of face-to-face, even when we are in the office. It makes it a little easier to pull stuff in when you’re at your desk instead of hailing your laptop around and fricking with AV stuff. Then if someone else wants to share they just click the button. There’s also less crosstalk and the meetings are generally more productive. Depends on what you need to discuss obviously.

OTOH, we have way too many remote Teams meetings that could be handled with a 5-minute (or less) face-to-face conversation. If I’m talking to someone at the office and we need to grab someone else to get input, it’s as simple as walking over and knocking on the door to come to a decision. It’s more of a pain in the arse when you have to schedule a call instead, and it seems to always wind up taking more time for everyone when it’s all said and done.

There are pros and cons both ways and the hybrid format seems to be a reasonable compromise so far, at least for my company.