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re: The future of the 8-5, M-F, daily work commute?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:46 am to GeauxTigers0107
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:46 am to GeauxTigers0107
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As a manager if you come to me with that complaint, I will grant your wish. Trust me.
genuine question, what do you do, that could not be done from anywhere but your office
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:46 am to GeauxTigers0107
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GeauxTigers0107
The fat, balding, middle manager speaks.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:48 am to GrammarKnotsi
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genuine question, what do you do, that could not be done from anywhere but your office
I'd be shocked if he actually gave you a genuine answer
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:48 am to LSU-MNCBABY
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There’s just as much time wasted in an office setting with socializing and bullshite, it’s all about if management is effective and implementing good time management practices, people can get just as many real hours of work in at home, even if it’s more broken up
This is absolutely true. It was my responsibility to come up with a remote strategy before Covid came to be. So I was observing work within our technology group. The commute is one thing. The context switching to go to meetings was another huge time suck. And then the break ins on high producers by people who just wanted to gossip was another. If you stop and look at it, half a workday in a traditional setting is just wasted time. The leaders pushing these returns to office can’t see this behavior because when they walk by people straighten out.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:49 am to GeauxTigers0107
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As a manager if you come to me with that complaint, I will grant your wish. Trust me.
Let me guess, your company is one of those that, in 2024, claims it offers “a true work/life balance !”.. but in actuality has a bunch of old school, hard line managers who, if you hear one peep outta me, will can my arse… Does that sound about right ?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:49 am to burger bearcat
Not only do you millenials complain about working, now yall are complaining about driving to work too?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:50 am to GetCocky11
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I'd be shocked if he actually gave you a genuine answer
no doubt, it would prove the points that the only people who want to be in an office, simply dont want to be at home..
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There’s just as much time wasted in an office setting with socializing and bullshite, it’s all about if management is effective and implementing good time management practices, people can get just as many real hours of work in at home, even if it’s more broken up
This..I'm salaried..Why does it matter if i can get the shite done in four hours at home, then mow my yard..
When in the office, i know "well, I'm here for six hours, better frick around"
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 7:53 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:51 am to burger bearcat
Sure doesn’t seem like it in rush hour. Seems nobody is at home and all on the road.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:51 am to GetCocky11
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Won't someone think of the water cooler???
Dont forget office politics and gossip ! Oh, and that beautiful fluorescent lighting, and the joys of sharing a bathroom with trashy coworkers .
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:54 am to GrammarKnotsi
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no doubt, it would prove the points that the only people who want to be in an office, simply dont want to be at home..
Or are involved in a supervisory role that really isn't productive for the bottom line, like many middle management positions.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Depends on what you do. I can see how someone who practices tax law may not need in-person interaction or support. I don’t know how litigators are fully remote when courts are increasingly ditching zoom.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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Or are involved in a supervisory role that really isn't productive for the bottom line, like many middle management positions.
Which makes it even more comical when the pro-RTO crowd start talking about “productivity”.
It took me about a year or two out of college in my first professional role to realize that the vast majority of people in the office were only “working” less than 50% of the time, and a chunk of that time was spent in pointless meetings.
Not all, but a lot of the middle managers in corporate America simply learned how to play the “pretend business” game and don’t want a world that actually forces everyone to be evaluated on what they actually do.
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:24 am to GrammarKnotsi
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genuine question, what do you do, that could not be done from anywhere but your office
I recently worked in clinical research. Maybe 5%-10% of that job could be done out of the office. It's still an 8-5 job.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:26 am to GeauxTigers0107
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As a manager if you come to me with that complaint, I will grant your wish. Trust me.
As a manager, it sounds like you suck. Trust me.
Would my job be easier if all of my folks were in an office? Yeah, probably. But, I can still monitor work being done remotely. Really only like 10-20% of my employees make this a pain, and I have a feeling the same 10-20% would be a pain in the arse if we were in an office, too.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:26 am to NIH
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can see how someone who practices tax law may not need in-person interaction or support
Bingo.
I’m a corporate attorney. No need for face to face interaction…because my clients are all over the world and have absolutely no problem pinging me on Slack, dialing me in to a Teams call, or shooting over an email at pretty much any time of the day.
I’m essentially always on-call now, whereas when I was in office, once I put my laptop in my bag and headed out the door at 6-7pm, I was done until I logged in at ~7 the next morning. It’s a trade off I’m willing to accept because I like the benefit of being able to work productively anywhere without Karen the legal admin stopping to pester me about what I’m bringing to the holiday (not Christmas) party.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 8:28 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:27 am to burger bearcat
If you think everyone in a corporation is as productive sitting at home, then you’re wrong.
If you think the team environment, comradery, and collaboration is as good when everyone is sitting in their own world doing the bare minimum…you’re wrong.
Nobody networks or pings ideas with their counterparts at other companies anymore with most regional type meetings/events being virtual.
Things take longer to get done, people are less available than they used to be, individuals take longer to respond, and their is zero social skills with junior employees.
If someone was an above average employee before, they’ve become bare minimal now. If someone was bare minimal before, they’ve fallen to below par.
THESE ARE ALL FACTS.
If you think the team environment, comradery, and collaboration is as good when everyone is sitting in their own world doing the bare minimum…you’re wrong.
Nobody networks or pings ideas with their counterparts at other companies anymore with most regional type meetings/events being virtual.
Things take longer to get done, people are less available than they used to be, individuals take longer to respond, and their is zero social skills with junior employees.
If someone was an above average employee before, they’ve become bare minimal now. If someone was bare minimal before, they’ve fallen to below par.
THESE ARE ALL FACTS.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:28 am to Dadren
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and a chunk of that time was spent in pointless meetings.
I spend 50% of my time in mostly pointless meetings.
I think it's gotten worse since we are remote more. "Let's hop on a Teams meeting" when what we need to discuss could be handled in an email or chat.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:28 am to BabyTac
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BabyTac
There he is! Like a housefly to a pile of horseshite!
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:30 am to bazeball
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I recently worked in clinical research. Maybe 5%-10% of that job could be done out of the office. It's still an 8-5 job.
There are obviously jobs where you have to show up to an office. My wife is in direct patient care, she has to have her patients in her office because of the equipment that she has to use for appointments. It's not something that could be done remotely. But, on the other hand, there are a ton of "office" jobs that there is no real reason for an employee to have to sit in an office all day, because their entire job could be done via computers/phones.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:32 am to BabyTac
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If you think everyone in a corporation is as productive sitting at home, then you’re wrong.
So, you are basically like a 3rd grade teacher, who thinks that everyone who IS effective working from home like myself, should be punished due to the lowest common denominator employees who can’t handle independence and autonomy .. Got it .
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THESE ARE ALL FACTS.
Oh, well if these are FACTS then i guess we should just shut the thread down now… how are you a manager if you dont even know the meaning of the word “fact” ?
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