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re: The era of the company man is over
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:44 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:44 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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This is actually relatively new and not a good thing
Maybe I'm more observant then most, because I've seen this for the past 50 years or so.
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Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:45 am to doc baklava
Name them so we can shame them.
Also document every single negative thing your company does so whenever it is your final day you can take it all to the EEOC.
Also document every single negative thing your company does so whenever it is your final day you can take it all to the EEOC.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:45 am to BigBinBR
If your only direct reports are contractors, it may be a sign that you need to seek out another role in the company with better visibility.
That person has no internal resource to build and develop, so they are lacking the opportunity to develop people that could propel them forward.
That person has no internal resource to build and develop, so they are lacking the opportunity to develop people that could propel them forward.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:46 am to Snipe
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Maybe I'm more observant then most, because I've seen this for the past 50 years or so.
50 years ago, management wasn’t hoarding profits, making 200x the regular worker, and using every dime to increase shareholder value. They were paying higher wages to their employees and giving them pensions.
It’s more mercenary now than it’s ever been and getting worse. Employee sponsored matches are decreasing, much less a pension, contractors and outside firms are doing more and more work, and wages are going down in real dollars. If the trajectory doesn’t change, we’re going to have executives and like 1 manager per department who’s job is to coordinate all of the outside service providers that do all the work.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:48 am to dewster
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If your only direct reports are contractors, it may be a sign that you need to seek out another role in the company with better visibility.
That's a good point. "Work's alone" and is in only charge of a couple of contractors should have been a red flag.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:48 am to Willie Stroker
Industrial post-agriculture America has only been around for about 100 years and it has gone through several rounds of necessary revisions and pendulum swings. It's not a fine tuned balanced system at all.
The unregulated early 1900's concentrated immense wealth in very few individuals and companies, led to despicable factory conditions, child labor, and eventually the great depression. The results of that led to a pendulum shift towards the middle with unions, worker rights, and a somewhat balanced middle class society. The pro-worker pendulum swung too far eventually though and the economy suffered through the 70s, which ushered in the Reagan led deregulation and stock market success of the 80s, 90's and 2000's.
But if you can't sense a coming worker revolution shift back, you are not paying attention to history. The internet and AI revolutions have shifted wealth concentration back to early 1900's era times and these extremely powerful companies are starting to flex their power, not in poor working conditions but in mass-layoffs and limited to no skill training or long term career advancement. For better or worse (I'm still not sure which one) we are definitely headed back to a heavily regulated pro-worker society. Both the Republicans and Democrats are now led by populist wings focused on worker issues.
The unregulated early 1900's concentrated immense wealth in very few individuals and companies, led to despicable factory conditions, child labor, and eventually the great depression. The results of that led to a pendulum shift towards the middle with unions, worker rights, and a somewhat balanced middle class society. The pro-worker pendulum swung too far eventually though and the economy suffered through the 70s, which ushered in the Reagan led deregulation and stock market success of the 80s, 90's and 2000's.
But if you can't sense a coming worker revolution shift back, you are not paying attention to history. The internet and AI revolutions have shifted wealth concentration back to early 1900's era times and these extremely powerful companies are starting to flex their power, not in poor working conditions but in mass-layoffs and limited to no skill training or long term career advancement. For better or worse (I'm still not sure which one) we are definitely headed back to a heavily regulated pro-worker society. Both the Republicans and Democrats are now led by populist wings focused on worker issues.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 10:52 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:48 am to doc baklava
It's a tough one for me. I am and want to be loyal, and will be loyal for about 6 months to a year too long. I find it difficult to work at a place where I am apathetic.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:49 am to MillerLiteTime
I always thought out sourcing HR was just as valid as pump repair or IT
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:49 am to BigBinBR
My job had 2,000 employees in 1995. Now, it has about 175. Profits are higher, adjusted for inflation. The number of good jobs per organization has decreased dramatically.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:50 am to Willie Stroker
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It needed to be.
I;d rather deal with the company man than HR hags.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:56 am to Cosmo
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Also I only watched 10 seconds
Forget to take your Ritalin this morning?
What she says is pretty alarming.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:59 am to Tridentds
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The primary job of the HR department nowadays is to prevent the company from being sued when someone is let go. That's it.
Lol. Though a key function of HR, they have to hire the people before they can prevent the company from being sued when they let them go. And between that time, they will be heavily involved in compensation and benefits discussions.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:16 am to Jim Rockford
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The flip side of that is I have no loyalty to my employer because he has none to me.
As long as companies consider employees as disposable cogs in the machine, then employees should be utterly mercenary when it comes to skipping out for other jobs.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:22 am to doc baklava
A lawsuit is the answer here.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:23 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Exactly what I was thinking. High performers get protected in RIFs, if he was a high performer and got chopped he messed something big up.
or in the case of my wife... made too much money and they needed to cut the head off of multiple departments due to Tariffs. And morons on this board act like they dont exist.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:35 am to doc baklava
It's as well as it ever was. There are dog mom and cat Dads and DINK couples who are literally married to their companies these days.
You wanna climb the ladder these days, youre going to compete with people who are literally married to their company. Its rampant.
You wanna climb the ladder these days, youre going to compete with people who are literally married to their company. Its rampant.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:41 am to doc baklava
Record EVERYTHING, always! It's so simple..do it
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:50 am to Mingo Was His NameO
oh my god this fricking loser.... her current job.. 35 million in Tariffs. You are a literal fricking retard.
And you scroll through someones post history for something like that. And you remembered something from a random stranger. What a little weasel frick you are
And you scroll through someones post history for something like that. And you remembered something from a random stranger. What a little weasel frick you are
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 11:51 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:55 am to Tridentds
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The primary job of the HR department nowadays is to prevent the company from being sued when someone is let go. That's it. All about reducing the liability to the company and nothing else.
Same with legal department.
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