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re: The digitizing of human history will eventually (or already has) lead to is constant....
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:51 am to jlovel7
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:51 am to jlovel7
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but once we fully digitize everything what prevents things from starting to shift dramatically 1984 style?
Because by then the AI will be in charge. What's really going to bake your noodle later on is where you fear history controlled by singular incidents of "hacking", the AI could give each of us personalized history on demand based on our preferences. That will be especially helpful when we finally make offending someone against the law.
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Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:51 am to jlovel7
It is less a matter of being altered than one of selection. There is far too much primary source material to be digitized. Archivists have to choose what to digitize and what not to, based on significance, file size, and storage capacity. This is even more true of matter that originates as digital information. SImply too much of it to keep. Digital storage on servers is precious and far less spacious than most suppose it to be.
The issue is less diabolical than it is one of the ideological inclinations of archivists, museum curators, collections managers, and historians. Decisions are usually innocent and with honest intentions but slanted nonetheless. While not as batshit Leftwing as their academic counterparts, public historians and those in related fields are tending to be more and more Left of center.
This means that the material and data preserved will reflect those inclinations.
Physical archives should be preserved as much as possible. Everything is there.
On a related note, digital storage of historic material is far more vulnerable to loss than most know. Most collections are not regularly updated in terms of the software versions. After 15-20 years with no update, the file becomes useless as newer versions of software can no longer open it. Some collections are well taken care of in that regard (Library of Congress for instance). Most are not.
The issue is less diabolical than it is one of the ideological inclinations of archivists, museum curators, collections managers, and historians. Decisions are usually innocent and with honest intentions but slanted nonetheless. While not as batshit Leftwing as their academic counterparts, public historians and those in related fields are tending to be more and more Left of center.
This means that the material and data preserved will reflect those inclinations.
Physical archives should be preserved as much as possible. Everything is there.
On a related note, digital storage of historic material is far more vulnerable to loss than most know. Most collections are not regularly updated in terms of the software versions. After 15-20 years with no update, the file becomes useless as newer versions of software can no longer open it. Some collections are well taken care of in that regard (Library of Congress for instance). Most are not.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:45 am to tigahbruh
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The issue is less diabolical than it is one of the ideological inclinations of archivists, museum curators, collections managers, and historians. Decisions are usually innocent and with honest intentions but slanted nonetheless. While not as batshit Leftwing as their academic counterparts, public historians and those in related fields are tending to be more and more Left of center.
This means that the material and data preserved will reflect those inclinations.
Physical archives should be preserved as much as possible. Everything is there.
Agreed. Your perception of a shift towards Leftwing ideals can be understood of a correction of previous acquisition and collection policies in physical archives. One of the best examples of this is Alabama Department of Archives and History, and the agency's own acknowledgement of it's past helps explain how libraries and archives are not neutral.
Archives are chronically underfunded. Usually they are managed or directed by a local historian or academic that doesn't have training in actual archival theory and practice, and storage conditions are typically patchwork. Digital migration almost never happens, and best practices for file types are overlooked by many until it is too late or too costly to fix. And, the perception of how the public wants an archive to operate vs how an archive should actually operate helps create backlogs and unnecessary diversions of resources.
Basically, if society want to fix the problems it needs to realize why these problems exist and how to fix them. And, librarians and archivists need to do a better job promoting the urgency for solutions.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:52 am to jlovel7
1984, Brave New World, V for Vendetta, Animal Farm, Watchmen, the Black Mirror, etc were meant to be cautionary tales, but the ruling class has opted to instead use them as step-by-step recipes.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:52 am to upgrayedd
quote:Bing agrees that evidence is lacking, but the possibility does exist.
Google says this is an unfounded right wing conspiracy theory so it must be true
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:58 am to TheChosenOne
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The way history was written in books, with separate books documenting differing opinions and sides of the story, the same will occur digitally. The only difference is the prevailing, or most common, historical perspective will be the one with the most retweets.
Wrong. There will be one controlling entity of each regions internet. They won't even allow a website with a differing opinion in that region. It'll be very 1984 like. Whatever company owns the internet will control it based on their beliefs or their overlords beliefs. Similar to FB and Twitter now.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:07 am to kciDAtaE
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Because we now have a world full of fact checkers waiting to point out any minor error. Use common sense. If you believe everything you read on the internet, you probably should step away.
I got banned on one platform.last night for saying "those crazy russians" in jest
The future will be nothing but sanitized propaganda.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:13 am to kciDAtaE
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The internet is awesome
Well.. It has moved away from the original intentions. It was supposed to be a way to easily share information, but social media has completely changed how information is shared. Instead of sharing facts and useful information, today you can make up any bullshite and even target the audience you want to see that information.
If you truly want to learn about something, you can't depend on the information you find online, you have to read a few books on it.
The ability to share information has been hijacked by people who have agendas and something to gain if they are able to convince a lot of people to believe into their bullshite.
Today, I would say the majority of people are misinformed.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:22 am to jlovel7
quote:It would be more accurate to say that history is in the eye of the beholder.
I know history is written by the victor
Orwell was a socialist, so I'm not sure the jokers are wrong when they say it looks like it was an instruction manual rather than a warning.
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Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:25 am to Stealth Matrix
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I also think a huge danger to digitizing everything is, what if the data is wiped out by catastophe? We would be plunged into the dark ages with quickness.
The opposite is also true. Digitizing it can transfer it across the world with incredible speed. Data stored on a server about to be hit by a hurricane cam be transferred instantly to somewhere else. If it were an analog library it would be totally lost potentially.
They work in tandem.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:29 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:Most appropriate response to the OP.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
However, it seems to me that our future is going to more resemble a combination of Animal Farm and Huxley's Brave New World than it will 1984.
YMMV.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:30 am to jlovel7
Have you even read 1984 bro?
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:40 am to jlovel7
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The opposite is also true. Digitizing it can transfer it across the world with incredible speed. Data stored on a server about to be hit by a hurricane cam be transferred instantly to somewhere else. If it were an analog library it would be totally lost potentially.
They work in tandem.
Yep, LOCKSS.
Also, there's an equal threat of file corruption from within. Gotta make sure those 0s and 1s stay in the same order, and document how often they're checked and what changes are found, if any.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:46 am to Aubie Spr96
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haven't read this since high school. Just ordered it off Amazon. Looking forward to it.
Could get it for 50 cents at the local bookseller.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:47 am to jlovel7
It already has. Even written publications (especially those uploaded in digital format) have been altered. It's interesting that you brought up 1984. if you combine documented events with real life experiences, you can piece things together to form a very solid conclusion (regardless of who the "victor" is).
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:50 am to TaiBomber
quote:I wouldn't say that. Orwell and others, especially Philip K. Dick saw technologies that were only emerging at the time they wrote their works, but they had the vision to see how they might be used by authority to subjugate or manipulate humanity.
It wasn’t prediction though. People seem to think sci-fi writers are some kind of Nostradamus, when really their work reflects the time it was written more than anything else. 1984 is a Cold War era novella, dealing with Cold War era themes.
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/12/20 at 12:33 pm to OweO
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It was supposed to be a way to easily share information, but social media has completely changed how information is shared.
But the internet is so much more than sharing information or social media.
I haven’t had to set foot in a mall in probably 5 years. Email has completely changed business and working from home is an option.
I like Netflix
When was the last time you had to order more checks from the bank and then pick up more stamps so that you can pay your electric bill?
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