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re: The California water shortage..I mean water isn't a finite resource

Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:40 am to
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:40 am to
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the same dumb logic is applied

Not really.
Posted by logjamming
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:41 am to
Research is now showing that the past couple hindered years were abnormally "wet" for that region, and that over the course of time, that region is normally very arid and dry.

It's not that water is disappearing, its just that the area is regressing back to its normal state.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:42 am to
Yeah we import all that tropical Nevada and Arizona water.

Power is on a grid. We do import power, but so what?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:42 am to
explain the difference to me
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:42 am to
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90% of our water use is non-human (i.e. agriculture)


So.. let's say you divert that 90% that is used for "non-human" applications to humans. What are you planning on eating?
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:45 am to
You should be asking what you plan on eating in your state. We're a net exporter. We grow way more per capita than wherever you live. Maybe it's time for you to carry your own weight and stop depending on us.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:45 am to
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Yeah we import all that tropical Nevada and Arizona water


you saying yall don't get water from Nevada?

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We do import power, but so what?


Well maybe they wouldn't have rolling brown outs when there are power shortages if the state produced more to provide for its residents. I am sure liberal bureaucracy would be to blame though
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:47 am to
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Freshwater makes up a very small fraction of all water on the planet. While nearly 70 percent of the world is covered by water, only 2.5 percent of it is fresh. The rest is saline and ocean-based. Even then, just 1 percent of our freshwater is easily accessible, with much of it trapped in glaciers and snowfields. In essence, only 0.007 percent of the planet's water is available to fuel and feed its 6.8 billion people.'



That is misleading as hell. Oh, .007 percent is small, but when you're measuring all of the fricking water on the planet it is a huge number. In fact, according to the USGS all of the water in the world's freshwater rivers and lakes - so not counting groundwater, swamps, and glaciers - is 22,339 cubic miles. That is a small chunk of the 2,551,000 cubic miles of freshwater on the entire planet, but it is still an absurd amount of water.

How much you ask? Well here is some context. If those 22,339 cubic miles were confined to California's borders, it would be a lake 750 feet deep. If it was a lake the size of the United States, including Alaska and Hawaii, it would be a lake 31 feet deep.


Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:50 am to
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wait just a bit more.... SIX MOTHERfrickING FISH. I shite you not. They are wasting billions of gallons trying to save an endangered species called the Delta Smelt. The delta smelt has ZERO KNOWN ecological value. This is a POLITICAL water shortage - not climate. PS - They just realized the water reservoirs underneath California are about 10x bigger than they thought and could IMMEDIATELY solve all water issues......but RED TAPE BUREAUCRACY. Let the California citizens take a bath once a week, while all the ECO friendly Hollywood frickers water their multi-acre lawns DAILY. Morons, the lot of em.


The fish are protected by the FEDERAL Endangered Species Act. Amazing.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:50 am to
We had rolling brownouts right after deregulation and none since afaik. We may have some this summer because of the Aliso Canyon natural gas leak limiting supply.

But the brownouts were due to capitalism at work. When the power plants were sold the private owners decided for a variety of reasons and correctly so that they could make more money operating fewer generating units so many that were previously operated by public utilities sat idle. Plus we've built a lot of generating units in the 20 years since.
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:52 am to
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Dude, basic economics. Everything is finite.


Except dumbasses.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:52 am to
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You should be asking what you plan on eating in your state. We're a net exporter. We grow way more per capita than wherever you live. Maybe it's time for you to carry your own weight and stop depending on us.


OK... what do you expect me to eat? Because I like Romaine Lettuce and Asparagus. And I know thye come from out there. Soybeans, cotton and milo?
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 9:55 am
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:54 am to
Can't they recycle urine?
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:55 am to
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Why do they not farm more in areas with more rain?


Drive from Sacramento to San Fran, and you'd laugh your arse off. A state with no water and a crisis that is growing fricking RICE in flooded fields. I mean, holy hell, the stupidity. Just grow your almonds and other shite that doesn't require mass amounts of water.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:58 am to
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why don't they build some reservoirs if they want to keep adding to the population!


Population is the easy part. Agriculture is the real issue.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
5687 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:58 am to
I'm just pointing out that you bringing up us not having enough to eat is a little ridiculous since it's a much larger issue where ever you are.
Posted by TDcline
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:58 am to
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Can't they recycle urine?


Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:59 am to
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So.. let's say you divert that 90% that is used for "non-human" applications to humans. What are you planning on eating?


The counter-argument to your statement is the choice of crops we grow. Farmers understandably grow the crop that will make them the most money without regard to how it impacts the entire region.

One thing that struck out to me was a farmer growing alfalfa which is then sold to the middle east as camel feed.

Alfalfa requires 48in of water annually whereas grass requires 36" and corn 32".

If you are a farmer in a drought stricken region, it can be seen as a dick move growing alfalfa when it isn't even being used in the USA.

Especially since you aren't using drip lines
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 10:02 am
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 10:01 am to
You know what's an even bigger shite hole than Baton Rouge and California?























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Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
10743 posts
Posted on 8/5/16 at 10:02 am to
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California is a never ending crisis,


California is a direct reflection of it's inhabitants. It's a majority liberal populace, and my experience with liberals is that their lives are a never ending crisis. They constantly make decisions that create problems that they have no capacity for solving and then whine and cry until the government comes and bails them out, at tax payers expense.

The best thing that could happen to Cali would be a massive failure of the San Andreas Fault.
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