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The British Navy (ongoing thread)
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:49 pm
Hello,
I have just started reading a book that maintains that the British Navy, for better or worse, has been the most important institution in world history.
That is a rather large claim but I look forward to exploring the ideas and I will aim to update this thread with interesting facets of this idea.
So far, the book has maintained that the British Navy’s dominance of the seas allowed a previously unimagined level of economic development to proceed safely at a global level allowing for better or worse for most of the globe to be dragged into the modern world at an exceptionally quick rate.
Will share more.
One early thing so far is the book argues that British Naval management was completely unique for its time with its seperation of management duties for ship staff that would go on to be a basis for management in governments and corporations around the world in general
Also, I like this song. Unabashedly patriotic British people singing LINK
I have just started reading a book that maintains that the British Navy, for better or worse, has been the most important institution in world history.
That is a rather large claim but I look forward to exploring the ideas and I will aim to update this thread with interesting facets of this idea.
So far, the book has maintained that the British Navy’s dominance of the seas allowed a previously unimagined level of economic development to proceed safely at a global level allowing for better or worse for most of the globe to be dragged into the modern world at an exceptionally quick rate.
Will share more.
One early thing so far is the book argues that British Naval management was completely unique for its time with its seperation of management duties for ship staff that would go on to be a basis for management in governments and corporations around the world in general
Also, I like this song. Unabashedly patriotic British people singing LINK
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:52 pm to athenslife101
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Hello
Oh, hey there
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:53 pm to athenslife101
They didn't do so hot against the Nazis.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:54 pm to athenslife101
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I have just started reading a book that maintains that the British Navy, for better or worse, has been the most important institution in world history.
Not that big of a stretch at all, IMO.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:56 pm to athenslife101
Greece and Rome say, "hello."
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:57 pm to athenslife101
Hipsters should be grateful for colonialism. It brought them their pretentious nectar - IPA's
ETA: we need to start a white guilt movement that targets banning IPA's for being signs of oppressed peoples of color
ETA: we need to start a white guilt movement that targets banning IPA's for being signs of oppressed peoples of color
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:58 pm to athenslife101
I'm not sure how you quantify something like that. The Mongols and the Romans had some pretty big impacts on trading. Others too - the Dutch, some of the northern Italian city states, etc.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:00 pm to upgrayedd
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Hipsters should be grateful for colonialism. It brought them their pretentious nectar - IPA's
I went to a bar a few weeks ago and every single tap was an IPA.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:02 pm to northshorebamaman
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I went to a bar a few weeks ago and every single tap was an IPA.
Yeah, it's painfully saturated. I can't drink more than about two before my taste buds die.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:02 pm to athenslife101
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I have just started reading a book that maintains that the British Navy, for better or worse, has been the most important institution in world history.
Very interesting premise. Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything more influential to be honest.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:04 pm to ThatMakesSense
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They didn't do so hot against the Nazis.
Actually, the royal navy kicked the kreigsmarine's arse.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:04 pm to upgrayedd
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I went to a bar a few weeks ago and every single tap was an IPA.
Yeah, it's painfully saturated. I can't drink more than about two before my taste buds die.
I'm convinced they don't actually enjoy drinking them, but do it because they think it's correct. Like watching some people near choke trying to drink straight scotch. Scotch is actually good, though.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:05 pm to Landmass
Ehh, an empire is too broad. There is defintely nothing institutional about the Greeks that led to their success. There wasn’t anything organizational about their society you could hang your hat on.
Same with the Romans to a certain point. The empire changed so much that there is no institution that had continuous impact.
Same with the Romans to a certain point. The empire changed so much that there is no institution that had continuous impact.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:07 pm to GetBackToWork
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I'm convinced they don't actually enjoy drinking them, but do it because they think it's correct. Like watching some people near choke trying to drink straight scotch. Scotch is actually good, though.
Let's see how many bitter flavors we can cram into this glass!
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:09 pm to upgrayedd
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Let's see how many bitter flavors we can cram into this glass!
I don't get the bitter taste myself. It tastes more like citrus to me but either way I'd be fine if I never had another one.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:11 pm to GetBackToWork
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I'm convinced they don't actually enjoy drinking them, but do it because they think it's correct.
Yep. The IPA was made extremely overhoppy so that it could survive the voyage, not because it tasted good. IPA has become synonymous with craft beer unfortunately and it drowns out the other crafts because of it. I’ll drink em, but not my first choice.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:12 pm to Methuselah
I am not impressed with the The Italian City states at all. I’m not an expert by any means, but what I’ve read has been rather... all over the place. I read a biography on Savenrola and that could happen in one of the most respected cities in the world st the time doesn’t impress me.
I know less about the Dutch other than some references here and there but they were similar to the Italians, dominated by stronger groups on all sides and petty. The British whooped their arse numerous times.
The Romans and Mongols while important, didn’t have a single institutional aspect that led to their success and neither had as great an impact. The British were able to be anywhere in the world they wanted due to their navy.
I know less about the Dutch other than some references here and there but they were similar to the Italians, dominated by stronger groups on all sides and petty. The British whooped their arse numerous times.
The Romans and Mongols while important, didn’t have a single institutional aspect that led to their success and neither had as great an impact. The British were able to be anywhere in the world they wanted due to their navy.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:24 pm to athenslife101
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Same with the Romans to a certain point. The empire changed so much that there is no institution that had continuous impact.
This is ludicrous. The Romans had things that didn't become common again until the 18th century.
The city of Rome was supplied with more fresh water during Roman times than it was up until the mid 20th century.
Romans had public fountains, baths, street lighting, sewage, and plumbing. Courts of law, marketplaces, a system of coinage. An efficient bureaucracy.
If you are looking for a continuous, enduring institution that had an enduring effect on human history, look no further then the Roman Legions.
Besides being an efficient fighting force with uniform arms and armor, using combined arms tactics, the legions were builders.
Legionaries built roads that are still used today, superior to any built by any other civilization.
Romans built the first stealth ships. The Classis Britannica, the Roman fleet based in Dover and Calais, painted their ships blue, used blue sails, and their sailors wore blue uniforms.
There are countries and armies today that aren't as organized as Rome was back then.
There's an argument for Britain and it's navy. But I think there is a stronger one for Rome.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:34 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything more influential to be honest.
I'd argue the East India company was at least as influential.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:40 pm to foshizzle
The Dutch East India company may be the richest company to ever exist. When adjusted for inflation, it’s estimated to have been worth about $7 trillion at its peak.
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