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re: The British Navy (ongoing thread)
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:24 am to athenslife101
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:24 am to athenslife101
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I would say that the Roman legions were not an institution
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Many of the legions founded before 40 BC were still active until at least the fifth century, notably Legio V Macedonica, which was founded by Augustus in 43 BC and was in Egypt in the seventh century during the Islamic conquest of Egypt.
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while very effective, often failed completely in their institutional objective.
The Roman civilization lasted for thousands of years.
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:29 am to DavidTheGnome
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Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything more influential to be honest.
LucasP was pretty influential, murderer.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 8:30 am
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:35 am to northshorebamaman
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I went to a bar a few weeks ago and every single tap was an IPA.
Nasty vile stuff. Hops is to be used in strict moderation, not as a main ingredient in beer
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:10 am to foshizzle
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I'd argue the East India company was at least as influential.
Weren't they kind of one and the same?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:16 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I don’t think you’re wrong, I just don’t think the argument stands up In my opinion.
Sure, the legions lasted a long time, they changed greatly in quality and effectiveness. By the 3rd and 4th century, they weren’t nearly as effective. Which is why Rome started turning to mercenary barbarian forces to dona lot of the actual fighting.
What was the purpose of a Roman legion in your opinion. Because if it was to protect Rome, they failed many times over. The legions became so corrupted they became loyal only to their commanders. The legions took place in military juntas that killed millions of Romans, invaded the city of Rome multiple times, and revolted many many times to try and put their commanders on the throne, causing widespread bloodshed that weakened the empire for its eventual dissolution.
That doesn’t speak to me of strong institutional control.
Sure, the legions lasted a long time, they changed greatly in quality and effectiveness. By the 3rd and 4th century, they weren’t nearly as effective. Which is why Rome started turning to mercenary barbarian forces to dona lot of the actual fighting.
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The Roman civilization lasted for thousands of years.
What was the purpose of a Roman legion in your opinion. Because if it was to protect Rome, they failed many times over. The legions became so corrupted they became loyal only to their commanders. The legions took place in military juntas that killed millions of Romans, invaded the city of Rome multiple times, and revolted many many times to try and put their commanders on the throne, causing widespread bloodshed that weakened the empire for its eventual dissolution.
That doesn’t speak to me of strong institutional control.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:20 am to Mac
The East India Company became joint stock with the British government in 1657 and they bailed out the East India Trading company many times when the company would have gone under. When the company was finally dissolved, they took control of all EIC lands in India
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:29 am to athenslife101
What is the name of the book?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:11 am to Champagne
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Sounds like a good book.
Can a brother get a podcast?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:12 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It was the rum ration.
Their ships are still "wet"
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:15 am to ThatMakesSense
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They didn't do so hot against the Nazis.
I am truly without words.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:18 am to soccerfüt
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My murican Navy shits on this thread.
Not in 1675 or 1755 or 1845.
Maybe by 1905.
Certainly in 1945.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...
well actually....
Battle of Lake Erie 1813
Battle of Flamborough Head 1779
USS Constitution defeated five British warships: HMS Guerriere, Java, Pictou, Cyane, and Levant.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:21 am to Tigeralum2008
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It was the rum ration.
Their ships are still "wet"
Yeah, it's just beer now and not navy strength rum.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:38 am to Tigeralum2008
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USS Constitution defeated five British warships:
I got to go to visit Constitution a few weeks ago. She’s recently out of dry dock for the most extensive restoration since the 70s. She’s absolutely beautiful. The Navy crew gives speaking tours while onboard. One guy gave a presentation on the types of cannon shot they used. On the berth deck a Marine spoke about the role of Marines onboard sailing ships.
But once you get over the nostalgia of the thing, you begin to realize she is at her heart a ship of war. The spar deck and gun deck are open and roomy. Reading in the museum she was designed to have modular armaments and every captain that took her out had their own preferences to the number and type of guns she carried. There are no flashy ornate stuff outside of the gold inlay at her two berths. Below deck she’s braced everywhere and you get a sense of the reinforcement in her construction.
If you’ve never been it’s worth the trip. The museum is fantastic and the Navy personnel are very welcoming and informative.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:28 am to ThatMakesSense
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They didn't do so hot against the Nazis.
The German surface fleet was largely a non-factor after 1941 and the U-boat fleet wasn't much of a factor after 1943. The allied fleets destroyed the Nazis.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 11:34 am to athenslife101
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Sure, the legions lasted a long time, they changed greatly in quality and effectiveness.
That's true of the Royal Navy as well. Bottom line is, the Royal Navy at it's best won battles.
The Roman Legions at their best won wars.
QED
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