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re: The Avengers vs. The Justice League. Who wins?

Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:21 am to
Posted by devils1854
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:21 am to
Dossier
Posted by RedPants
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:39 am to
Avengers. Thor and Dr. Strange could whip up some stuff JL has never seen.
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:44 am to
Although I like the Marvel universe much more than DC, Superman and Flash are OP. If written to the true height of their abilities, no one else from either team comes close to their power.

And that's my biggest complaint with the DC characters. Their stories tended to be written for a younger less mature audience where ultimate power was attractive. Rarely does a DC character fail or lose to the villain. Especially in Golden and Silver Age stories.

Marvel stories usually featured imperfect characters with less power and more weaknesses. Spiderman was a highschool (and then college) kid struggling with money and relationship problems. The X-Men were outcast, hunted and maligned, even when they ended up saving people.


But Supes has true god level powers, as does the Flash.

Written accurately, you could team every other hero from both universes up against them and they's still win.
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:45 am to
Batman would presumably be in possession of all the Kryptonite on Earth, so I don't think he's just going to hand it over to Avengers to weaken a guy on his team.

The Avengers really don't have an answer for Superman when he is at full strength.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Although I like the Marvel universe much more than DC, Superman and Flash are OP. If written to the true height of their abilities, no one else from either team comes close to their power.


Thor and Dr. Strange say hello. Time and Speed are of no consequence to Dr. Strange fwiw. And Flash would be far less powerful outside of the DC Universe itself, as the height of his powers relies on that reality itself (the Big Bang is replaced by a "Speed Force" event. Yes, it's totally dumb).
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:50 am to
I read this as Junior League and was looking for pics of soccer moms in yoga pants. Disappoint.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:54 am to
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The Avengers really don't have an answer for Superman when he is at full strength.



They have a Hulk. That's all they need.
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:12 am to
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They have a Hulk. That's all they need.



Sorry, but nope.

Supes is stronger, faster, a LOT smarter, and can fly. People don't really understand how smart he is because writers have to dumb him down to make anyone he fights even come close to scratching him.

Superman could launch the Hulk in to space, aimed at our sun, and that would be the end of Hulk.


I do agree that the magic wielders have the only chance against Superman or Flash. IF they have time to prepare their offense and defense spells ahead of time.

But standard melee or other physical attacks either won't hit, or won't damage Superman or Flash. They are just too fast, and too strong.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:25 am to
Let's make several assumptions.

Many artifacts don't work outside their respective multiverse. So things like the infinity gauntlet and mother boxes are rendered inert crossing over.

So a neutral multiverse, first meeting.

JL - wins on pure speed supes and flash would be untouchable.

Ww would barely be touched

Mm would be tied up with vision.

Batman jobs to fill out dossiers.

Avengers only pull wins when scarlet witch reality warps "no more justice league."




It's a temporary win as a memory less Bruce Wayne gets confronted by a speedster little girl who "knows stuff" and guides him back to rebuilding the dossiers. The justice league assembles as the seven soldiers or super friends or the justice society and then comes back and wins again.
Posted by jackmanusc
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:11 am to
Hulks power is theoretically infinite as it increases the angrier he gets
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:15 am to
quote:

Hulks power is theoretically infinite as it increases the angrier he gets


Congrats on his infinite strength as he helplessly orbits the Earth.

Everyone else: Superman, from space, with heat vision.

"But Dr. Strange!" ("But Zatanna!", "But Dr. Fate!")
Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:15 am to
Don't forget about Green Lantern.
Posted by sportsaddit68
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:26 am to
Goku.

And Vegeta.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:37 am to
quote:

"But Dr. Strange!" ("But Zatanna!", "But Dr. Fate!")




and i'd counter with Magik, Dr. Voodoo, or Scarlet Witch.


this has been done we all know, right?




some outcomes would be incorrect, but i digress.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:41 am to
All any member of the Avengers has to do to render Superman or Batman ineffective is to say their mother is also named Martha.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:43 am to
Epic Battles Youtube Channel

if you want to waste some serious time seeing these played out.
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:47 am to
J League.


Who on the avengers is stopping the Flash?
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:00 pm to
The Avengers. Ironman and the Hulk give the Avengers the advantage by a long shot.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:06 pm to
Trying to stay with classic rosters instead of all out brawl.

JL just starts off with way heavier hitters.

Otherwise just bring in Franklin Richards vs The Spectre.

Avengers big threats to the JL are Vision since he can Martian manhunter minus the shapeshift, Thor who has three direct counters, and Wanda's reality warps.

Against

Supes - enough said
Flash - even the slowest outpaces quicksilver
WW - can toe to toe supes through Amazon training
Batman - weak link
Green lantern - will makes reality
Aquaman - endurance and strength will fall to Thor for fish fry
Martian manhunter - telepathy strength endurance shapeshift

It's hard to counter that.


Especially when your roster is

Cap Hulk Thor IronMan AntMan Wasp Vision Black Panther Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Actual threats are

Scarlet Witch
Thor

Vision
Black Panther

Hulk


AntMan before Pymslap breakdown.

Hulk is the easiest to put out of action. Orbit.

Hank is a wild card before PymSlap breakdown.

Science adventurer may take out somebody.

Posted by StealthCalais11
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:11 pm to
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Batman - weak link


You shut your whore mouth
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