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The 1985 MOVE bombing in Philadelphia
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:53 am
I have changed my mind about race relations in Baton Rouge. I thought they couldn't get much worse than they are but then I learned that at least our police haven't dropped a fricking bomb on our own city
I never knew this until today since it's the anniversary and it popped up on my news alerts. Next time a liberal tells you today's police hate blacks, remind them that it could be much, much worse.
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I never knew this until today since it's the anniversary and it popped up on my news alerts. Next time a liberal tells you today's police hate blacks, remind them that it could be much, much worse.
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In 1981 MOVE relocated to a row house at 6221 Osage Avenue in the Cobbs Creek area of West Philadelphia. After the move, neighbors complained for years that MOVE members were broadcasting political messages by bullhorn.[20] The bullhorn was broken and inoperable for the three weeks prior to the bombing of the row house.[20] The police obtained arrest warrants charging four occupants with crimes including parole violations, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats.[2] Mayor W. Wilson Goode and police commissioner Gregore J. Sambor classified MOVE as a terrorist organization.[21] Residents of the area were evacuated from the premises. They were told that would be able to return to their homes after a twenty-four hour period.[13] On Monday, May 13, 1985, nearly 500 police officers, along with city manager Leo Brooks, arrived in force and attempted to clear the building and execute the arrest warrants.[21][13] Water and electricity was shut off in order to force MOVE members out of the house. Commissioner Sambor read a long speech addressed to MOVE members that started with, "Attention MOVE... this is America". When the MOVE members did not respond the police decided to forcefully remove the members from the premise.[13] This led to an armed standoff with police,[3] who lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. The police said that MOVE members fired at them; a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms ensued.[22] Police went through over ten thousand rounds of ammunition before Commissioner Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.[22] From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound bombs (which the police referred to as "entry devices"[21]) made of FBI-supplied water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[23] The resulting explosions ignited a fire from fuel for a gasoline-powered generator in the rooftop bunker; it spread and eventually destroyed approximately 65 nearby houses. The firefighters, who had earlier deluge-hosed the MOVE members in a failed attempt to evict them from the building, stood by as the fire caused by the bomb engulfed the first house and spread to others, having been given orders to let the fire burn by Commissioner Sambor. Despite the earlier drenching of the building by firefighters, officials said they feared that MOVE would shoot at the firefighters.[10][22][23][24] Mayor Wilson Goode testified that he ordered the fire to be put out after the bunker had burned. Police commissioner said he received the order but the fire commissioner testified he did not receive the order. Eleven people (John Africa, five other adults, and five children aged 7 to 13) died in the resulting fire, and more than 250 people in the neighborhood were left homeless.[25] Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, said that police fired at those trying to escape.[26]
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:57 am to TDsngumbo
Sometimes you have to smoke out the rats.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:59 am to TDsngumbo
A really good documentary came out about this a few years ago called Let the Fire Burn.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:03 am to btnetigers
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and five children aged 7 to 13) died in the resulting fire,
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Sometimes you have to smoke out the rats.
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btnetigers
Some of you people on this board have real issues...
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:05 am to btnetigers
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Sometimes you have to smoke out the rats.
You can always count on people here, most of whom identify as conservative and rant about the government taking their guns, to support things like police literally bombing and killing children.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:11 am to btnetigers
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Sometimes you have to smoke out the rats.
nits make lice
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:11 am to REG861
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most of whom identify as conservative
What does this have to do with conservatives, dipshit?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:13 am to TDsngumbo
Living nearby, I remember when that happened. It was pretty crazy. Before the day of national and 24 hours news.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:14 am to TDsngumbo
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Police went through over ten thousand rounds of ammunition before Commissioner Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.[22] From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound bombs
Well that escalated quickly
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:15 am to BugAC
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What does this have to do with conservatives, dipshit?
Do you really need me to spell it out for you, 'dipshit?' It's funny to see people on here worried about the evil big government seizing their AR-15's and then turn around and support police departments actually bombing the citizenry. I'm sorry my point was too difficult for you to ascertain. I'll try and remember who I'm addressing next time.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:17 am to TDsngumbo
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Mayor Wilson Goode testified that he ordered the fire to be put out after the bunker had burned. Police commissioner said he received the order but the fire commissioner testified he did not receive the order. Eleven people (John Africa, five other adults, and five children aged 7 to 13) died in the resulting fire, and more than 250 people in the neighborhood were left homeless.[25] Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, said that police fired at those trying to escape.[26]
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:23 am to TDsngumbo
Never heard of this. I'm surprised it didn't get more press in the wake of the Dallas police officer shootings in 2016, especially considering that local LEOs using explosives against civilians is exceptionally rare. The press was freaking out that they used a ROV to place and detonate a bomb by the shooter (totally justified). Not exactly the same, but in both cases, bombs were used against "black nationalists", and both bombs were of similar size. There's also some parallels to Waco, again surprised that this event was never mentioned in conjunction.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:37 am to REG861
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I'm sorry my point was too difficult for you to ascertain.
Wrong use of the word ascertain, understand or comprehend is what you should have gone with.
That being said, as a conservative, I wish I could disagree with your assertion that it's typically conservatives who make these awful statements on here. Unfortunately, I think you are correct.
But I do think our federal government has co opted too much power previously relegated to state and local government. Wile I understood the short term necessity, I was always leery of where the patriot act and FISA warrants could take this country. The potential erosion of the second amendment for emotional reasons is just one more thing potentially chipping away at our righta.
FTR: not an NRA member or a gun owner.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:44 am to REG861
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support things like police literally bombing and killing children.
Not quite what happened. The police dropped dropped bombs that only had one pound of explosives not to try and kill anyway, but to destroy specific structures on the roof. This resulted in the fire that did the real damage.
If people had simply evacuated everyone would have survived.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:48 am to btnetigers
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Sometimes you have to smoke out the rats.
Really shitty move by the black mayor of Philadelphia.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:08 am to bigpetedatiga
probably all trumpkins
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:20 am to REG861
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You can always count on people here, most of whom identify as conservative and rant about the government taking their guns, to support things like police literally bombing and killing children.
Waco, Jack Booted Thugs
Philadelphia, smoke out the rats
/The OT
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:57 am to TDsngumbo
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The police said that MOVE members fired at them; a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms ensued
wikipedia doing wikipedia things. there are photos of these clowns holding guns and aiming them out of the building. i guess they didn't actually fire the guns right? it was just police lies.
so peaceful
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Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, said that police fired at those trying to escape.
you shot at police. don't even care.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:21 pm to TDsngumbo
Caught this little nugget in there under "Current Activities"...
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Birdie Africa, also known as Michael Moses Ward, the only child survivor of the 1985 MOVE bombing, accidentally drowned in 2013 in a hot tub on board Carnival Dream while cruising in the Caribbean.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:21 pm to foshizzle
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Not quite what happened.
Police dropped 2 bombs on a structure where they knew women and children were housed. A fire ensued killing said women and children.
Close enough for fricks sake.
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