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re: Texas Governor wants top teachers to earn six figures
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:56 am to JawjaTigah
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:56 am to JawjaTigah
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What makes you think they are not?
Their pay is based on seniority and education, not anything competitive.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:57 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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And 100k would be a large pay cut for me.
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So yeah, even though 100k would be a large pay cut for me,
No so subtle brag.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:57 am to FightinTiga
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Not sure about 6 figures but they are underpaid
not really, a lot of shite teachers out there
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:59 am to Lsuhack1
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Yes, I make over 100k a year. With a masters and 10 years of experience. My life is full of immense stress, I work till at least 7 at night and get to work at 7 in the morning. most weekends involve some kind of work, I don't get two weeks off for Christmas and damn sure don't get an entire summer off.
You mad.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:59 am to Restomod
Meanwhile, in mayor dooms' Baton Rouge,
"We have to many white teachers"
"We have to many white teachers"
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:00 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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account for summers, school holidays
Just because your kids aren't at school, doesn't mean teachers aren't there.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
Need to redefine how teachers are evaluated. There are some systems already in place. But seniority and education level are definitely not what should be used
I’d say any teacher evaluation should include some type of evaluation of children’s behavior in their classroom. Better teachers have an organized classroom with minimum disruption from students. Leads to a better learning environment
I’d say any teacher evaluation should include some type of evaluation of children’s behavior in their classroom. Better teachers have an organized classroom with minimum disruption from students. Leads to a better learning environment
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:01 am to Upperdecker
Get rid of tenure and you will improve teaching at all levels.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:01 am to Restomod
$100k to work part time. Must be nice.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:02 am to Upperdecker
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But seniority and education level are definitely not what should be used
Totally agree.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:04 am to Lsuhack1
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Well how about this, You grade teachers based on the students performance from the year before. SO if you have a classroom and a student performed vs his peers at better than 34% one year and the next year he is better than 44% then obviously that teacher had a positive impact. You take that and average it out for the class and use a 3 year weighted rating to adjust for outliers. you could even through out the top 10% of performers and bottom 10% to concise it even more. When I judge my sales team I don't judge total sales of someone with a very lucrative area vs total sales of someone with a non-lucrative area, I judge them on how much better the area did this year vs last year. and then factor in the industry and overall company performance.
This always baffles me in the differentiated pay argument. Or paying for performance
Almost all jobs aren’t cut and dry with regards to pay. Teaching obviously isn’t different. In the business world there are tangible and intangible factors that assist employees to make more money. The teaching profession isn’t any different. The admins know which teachers are with it in general. It’s no different than any other professional environment.
Test scores would just be a fraction of what they are judged on. There would be intangibles that they are also judged on but teachers in general probably would not like it.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:04 am to Wayne Campbell
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You seem to be under the impression that teachers are only working when students are there.
The ones who are organized do almost no work outside of school.
One of my closest friends is a middle school teacher in Georgia and he says his job is easier than he could have ever imagined. He gets all of his lesson plans and papers graded during his planning periods AT SCHOOL. He says most of the female teachers sit around and talk about their sick mothers, their husbands, their own children, etc and have tons of work left to do at the end of the day.
Teaching, if you have a natural gift, is incredibly easy.
According to my friend - If you show you care, the kids respect you and dont give you behavior problems. The pay and the hours are easy and there is almost no stress at all.
Now, I am certain that female teachers would have a different take on it. We all know why, but that is a different topic all together.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:08 am to Restomod
I am fine with it, just define top teachers
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:08 am to Lsuhack1
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Well how about this, You grade teachers based on the students performance from the year before.
Dallas has this teacher merit system and it is the one Abbot will model the state system on. It doesn't work in Dallas though. There are too many variables in "grading" a teacher. Sure, test scores from the year before is one way to do it. But in a big, urban district like Dallas, many kids are at a different school from year to year. And most the kids are from very poor families and have huge family problems at home that they then bring to school on test day. How can a teacher be held responsible for this? Also, there are many "special education" kids in regular classes now including kids on the spectrum and full blown autistic kids. And yet these SPED kids are counted in the teacher's test scores. And in reality, teachers in Dallas are "observed" by supervisors once a year for about 15 minutes. How would you like it if your job review was based on such a small sample? Also, much of the merit based raises are based on getting advanced degrees. Having an advanced degree is great but doesn't automatically make you a better teacher. In the end, Dallas doesn't have enough money to give raises to all the teachers that have qualified so no way the state will have that kind of money. Dallas is proposing to raise my property taxes about $500 per year to pay for additional merit raises. This is on top of the astronomical rise in property values in Dallas which has given Dallas about 20% more tax dollars to work with already.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:10 am to SECdragonmaster
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SECdragonmaster
Your anecdotal evidence is almost a complete load of crap.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:13 am to Restomod
Texas high school AD's and football coaches already make that, and more.
It is a $100K job. Balk at the summer hours, and holidays, all you want. They have to put up with your shitty kids everyday, and try to get them to focus, not you. Then, go home and answer emails from OT Ballers who think they can buy their kids grades, and criticize discipline, because their kids are spoiled frick ups. Each night is spent preparing for the next day, so the hours are really 7:30-9:00, and many hours on the weekends.
I have encouraged my wife to seek another career, multiple times, but the longer they teach, the more pigeon-holed they get. Other career options are limited. At the end of the day, she loves the impact that she has on them. Seeing kids grow, and greet her with a smile 10 years later.
It is a $100K job. Balk at the summer hours, and holidays, all you want. They have to put up with your shitty kids everyday, and try to get them to focus, not you. Then, go home and answer emails from OT Ballers who think they can buy their kids grades, and criticize discipline, because their kids are spoiled frick ups. Each night is spent preparing for the next day, so the hours are really 7:30-9:00, and many hours on the weekends.
I have encouraged my wife to seek another career, multiple times, but the longer they teach, the more pigeon-holed they get. Other career options are limited. At the end of the day, she loves the impact that she has on them. Seeing kids grow, and greet her with a smile 10 years later.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
It is also based on the quality of students you teach.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:16 am to FlyinTiger93
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Each night is spent preparing for the next day, so the hours are really 7:30-9:00, and many hours on the weekends.
I just don't buy this. As a teacher with 10+ years of experience at every level except elementary, I have never felt the need to work THAT much.
I do think great teachers are worth $100k in some cases but mostly not. We're compensated well. We're treated like shite sometimes, but many jobs are. How you're treated doesn't equal a pay raise.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:17 am to Lsuhack1
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If this passes I'm becoming a teacher tomorrow.
You say this jokingly, but there are arguments that paying teachers more competitive salaries would actually attract more experienced professionals to work as teachers.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:19 am to Zappas Stache
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Dallas has this teacher merit system and it is the one Abbot will model the state system on. It doesn't work in Dallas though. There are too many variables in "grading" a teacher. Sure, test scores from the year before is one way to do it. But in a big, urban district like Dallas, many kids are at a different school from year to year. And most the kids are from very poor families and have huge family problems at home that they then bring to school on test day. How can a teacher be held responsible for this? Also, there are many "special education" kids in regular classes now including kids on the spectrum and full blown autistic kids. And yet these SPED kids are counted in the teacher's test scores. And in reality, teachers in Dallas are "observed" by supervisors once a year for about 15 minutes. How would you like it if your job review was based on such a small sample? Also, much of the merit based raises are based on getting advanced degrees. Having an advanced degree is great but doesn't automatically make you a better teacher. In the end, Dallas doesn't have enough money to give raises to all the teachers that have qualified so no way the state will have that kind of money. Dallas is proposing to raise my property taxes about $500 per year to pay for additional merit raises. This is on top of the astronomical rise in property values in Dallas which has given Dallas about 20% more tax dollars to work with already.
Not a statsitics major I see. Sure you will have outliers that had to move from one school to another, or kids at home that have a worse home life than last year, and conversely there will be kids who have a better home life than the year before. So if you have a total population of 157,000 students and if you did a 5 year average you would have a margin of error of +-4% with a 95% confidence. once you throw out the outliers the top and bottom ten percent you would be way more accurate. Meaning that those errors correct themselves.
if you have a class of 30 you throw out the top 3 biggest jumps and the bottom 3 biggest losses that way you even further account for errors.
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