re: Tesla Cyber Truck or Rivian R1T

That was not the point of them lightly throwing a ball at the window.

Apparently hitting the door with a sledgehammer first put a crack in the glass that caused the window to break

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i can get a normal, non shattering glass, and it will do the same thing.

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No it won’t the ball would go right through the window, into the car, break the other window, and leave the car

The window did the exact job it was designed to do. Prevent something from going into the cab by breaking through the glass.

Pray tell, do you think bulletproof glass that shatters but prevents the rounds from breaking through into the interior is a failure?

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No it won’t the ball would go right through the window, into the car, break the other window, and leave the car

The window did the exact job it was designed to do. Prevent something from going into the cab by breaking through the glass.

Pray tell, do you think bulletproof glass that shatters but prevents the rounds from breaking through into the interior is a failure?

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WTF are you talking about? I was driving down the Island road on False River a decade ago and had boat trailer coming the other way. We each were probably going 55, toward each other. One of his bearing buddies came off and hit my windshield.....guess what it didnt go straight through the windshield and kill me. So your telling me that if i were to put windshield glass as side windows it would have done the same thing..... that hub protector had WAY more energy that those small balls they lightly threw at that truck.


Also..... havig side windows shatter is a good thing. you get in a wreck and cant open your door, now you cant get out of the truck. the fire fighters can quickly get you out by pulling you out.....your car gets submerged, now you cant shatter the window to get out.

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did you see the video? they smashed the windows.....twice.

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Sure, the presentation was a disaster that made for great memes.

But do you really think that proved the Tesla glass won't be as powerful as a standard pickup? Of course not, it'll obviously be able to withstand more than a standard pickup's glass.


Also, did you not see the sledgehammer demo?

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i can get normal, non shattering glass window, and it will do the same thing.

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Yes, and you'll have to pay for it for all 4 windows.

But if you're going to pretend the Cyber Truck's door windows can't withstand any more than a standard pickup, then you're just intentionally hating for the sake of hating.

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and look im exaggerating greatly. but these tesla tards are acting like apple tards.

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This comment is just perfect. You're calling out "tesla tards" while in the same sentence admitting you're exaggerating greatly because you're just a hater, which is no different than the 'tesla tard" you're calling out.

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One of his bearing buddies came off and hit my windshield.

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Windshields are angled and made of tougher glass than window panels. Why are you comparing apples to oranges bud?

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So your telling me that if i were to put windshield glass as side windows it would have done the same thing...

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It’s all about the angle the object hits..... a pure vertical pane of glass is going to break far easier than glass angled at 20 degrees

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Also..... havig side windows shatter is a good thing. you get in a wreck and cant open your door, now you cant get out of the truck. the fire fighters can quickly get you out by pulling you out.....your car gets submerged, now you cant shatter the window to get out.

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You’re just deflecting deflecting deflecting bud.

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But if you're going to pretend the Cyber Truck's door windows can't withstand any more than a standard pickup, then you're just intentionally hating for the sake of hating.

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why are you comparing "standard" to the cyber truck... the cybertruck is not a standard truck.

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You're calling out "tesla tards" while in the same sentence admitting you're exaggerating greatly because you're just a hater,

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who said I am a hater? Im just not sucking off tesla like some people here.....eerrhhhmmmmm you.

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its not.

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It is! And your link proves it.

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“If you use coal-fired power plants to produce the electricity, then all-electrics don’t even look that much better than a traditional vehicle in terms of greenhouse gases,” says Virginia McConnell, an economist at the environmental research firm Resources for the Future.

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First there's that big "if". The energy mix in the US is about 64% fossil fuels, with about 35% of that gas and 27% coal, but we will do the worst-case math assuming 100% of an EV's power comes from a FF plant.

Coal-fired plants are about 37% efficient, and gas-fired is about 55%, so we will split the difference and call it 45% efficiency (actually should be higher since we have more gas-fired production). Let's put line efficiency at 88%, charge efficiency at 85%, and motor efficiency at 85%. This equates to 64% efficiency plant to wheels, which jives with estimates that I've seen in the range of 59-62%. Let's just call it 55% to be on the safe side. For comparison, a typical ICE engine is only about 20% efficient, so an EV is almost 3 times as efficient as a typical ICE vehicle at converting FF to miles. On top of that, pollution is much easier to contain/control at a central source (the plant) than at millions of tailpipes.

So if more than twice as good doesn't look "that much better", then you're entitled to your opinion, I guess.

And that's worst-case, 100% of an EV's charge is from FF plants. The reality is much better, and with more EVs on the road every power plant efficiency bump automatically "upgrades" every EV already out there.

Any way you slice it, the "but but but dirty electricity!" argument is bunk. Pure bullshite.

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why are you comparing "standard" to the cyber truck... the cybertruck is not a standard truck.

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Actually it is, it will be competing in the F150/Ram market, those are pretty standard trucks.

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who said I am a hater?

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This thread suggests you have some tendencies, if I'm being honest.

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Im just not sucking off tesla like some people here.....eerrhhhmmmmm you.

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And there it is, we've come full circle.

I try to talk rationally, you just spew irrational hate stuff.

Move along, i'll just add you with a few others to not talk Tesla with, not really any point to.