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re: Tampa Police Shoot and Kill Army Vet

Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:59 pm to
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Did the guy actually commit a crime?



Of course he did. They "asked" him to drop his weapon....the cops words, not mine. He did not comply. He had to die. If you are toting your dove gun from the house to the truck and cop happens by and tells you to drop that nice O/U your dad left you and you hesitate you have to die...'cause you did not comply. Such is the opinion of how interactions with cops must go....comply or die....ask most folks and they will tell you you gotta comply or you gotta die....
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
66979 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:00 pm to
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What were the cops supposed to do? Get shot because all he did was pull a gun and point it at them?
This, and no open carry make it sound like suicide by cop.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:00 pm to
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That's a good question. I wonder what prompted the call or if it was just someone calling him in for being in tac gear. Clearly though, poor guy was struggling between the ears.


He did not comply he had to die. Thats all there is to it....sad but thats the opinion of many people when the cops kill someone....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:01 pm to
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The news this morning said local residents called 911 because he had a weapon and was dressed in fatigues. They gave no indication of him doing anything wrong or illegal.



Had to die, did not comply.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46850 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:03 pm to
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What were the cops supposed to do? Get shot because all he did was pull a gun and point it at them?


I didn't see anything saying he pointed anything at anybody. I was unable to watch the video because they wanted me to sign in to some shite.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:03 pm to
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you are toting your dove gun from the house to the truck and cop happens by and tells you to drop that nice O/U your dad left you and you hesitate you have to die...'cause you did not comply.


Why be intellectually dishonest to try to make some bullshite strawman for this instance?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
16718 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:04 pm to
This is what happen when this country asks its young men to go to war for them and then shite on them and doesn't provide for the mental health needs of those same young men.

Also, that shoot may come into question as from what I saw he never raised the rifle from his position of casually holding it muzzle down in a threatening manner toward LE. Maybe it happened prior to the cut to the helo cam, but he wasn't threatening them at the time the first shot hit him in the upper chest/neck area causing him to drop the weapon and fall back.
Incidentally, at least 3 more shots can be seen impaction him to the head upper torso area while on the ground the weapon not near him and he not moving toward the weapon. Not judging that, as after the first shots go the adrelinen is going as well but it's an observation and one any defense attorneys will be looking at as well.

Sad state of affairs all around.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 1:39 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75174 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:06 pm to
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Why be intellectually dishonest to try to make some bullshite strawman for this instance?

You don't know AwgustaDawg, do you?
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:07 pm to
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Can't hear commands but I didn't see him lift his rifle.
well that isn’t good


Side question: rules of engagement when there is ten cops on scene if one of the ten officers fire a weapon for whatever reason he sees, does ‘shots fired’ automatically engage the other nine to just all start dumping lead?
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
54182 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:10 pm to
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If you are toting your dove gun from the house to the truck and cop happens by and tells you to drop that nice O/U your dad left you


I am going to drop it and explain that I am going hunting. I will be on my way within a few minutes instead of dead on the pavement because I wanted to be a hardass in front of a cop
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:14 pm to
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quote:
you are toting your dove gun from the house to the truck and cop happens by and tells you to drop that nice O/U your dad left you and you hesitate you have to die...'cause you did not comply.


Why be intellectually dishonest to try to make some bullshite strawman for this instance?


Intellectually dishonest? If a cop can shoot this man for toting a weapon, wearing fatigues and communication gear (thats what the sherrif's department is claiming as the reason they had to put him down) it is not that far of a stretch to imagine the same thing happening in your driveway, minus the communication gear I guess....so maybe they killed him for wearing communication gear and he'd have been fine had it not been for the communication gear. Doubtful.

The point is he did not comply and far too many Americans are of the opinion that when someone fails to comply with a cops orders, legal, illegal, conflicting, confusing, no matter, the person MUST die. It ain't my stand but there are an awful lot of folks who would say it....
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14286 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:15 pm to
Pussy SJW liberals never stop to consider the dangers the police face.


It’s always the cops doing wrong, no matter what the circumstance is..





It’s been fascinating to watch a large section of our population being so easily manipulated by the corrupt media. You can feel it when you read his posts. His comments sound exactly like something you’d read on twitter or some lib shithole website
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:15 pm to
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well that isn’t good


Side question: rules of engagement when there is ten cops on scene if one of the ten officers fire a weapon for whatever reason he sees, does ‘shots fired’ automatically engage the other nine to just all start dumping lead?



Certainly seems to be the case more times than not....
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:16 pm to
For one, it’s illegal to open carry in Florida. Carrying a rifle on a busy street in tactical gear and a plate carrier is in no way the same as bringing your gun to the truck.

fricking nonsense
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
54182 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:16 pm to
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It’s always the cops doing wrong, no matter what the circumstance is..


correct. Had the cops let this dude go and he ends up shooting up a school Augustadawg would be losing his mind about how the cops just let a guy with a rifle walk down the street.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19966 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:17 pm to
I know what ptsd can be like because i deal with those demons everyday.

For anyone that reads this, this is a way out and there are people that want to help you.

You are loved and the world is a better place with you in it
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14286 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:18 pm to
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it is not that far of a stretch to imagine the same thing happening in your driveway, minus the communication gear I guess....so maybe they killed him for wearing communication gear and he'd have been fine had it not been for the communication gear. Doubtful.


You’re too fricking brainwashed and ignorant to understand that MOST good people will stop what they’re doing and follow instructions of a police officer. It really isn’t that hard.



It’s a win win situation for you. If you’re doing nothing wrong and you follow instructions, you can run it up whatever flagpole you choose after the incident (you know, one of those juicy lawsuits your people love to file).

If you ARE indeed doing something wrong, and you follow instructions, at worst you’ll get arrested and you can let the shite play out in court as opposed to getting mowed down like Bonnie and Clyde
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14286 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:18 pm to
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correct. Had the cops let this dude go and he ends up shooting up a school Augustadawg would be losing his mind about how the cops just let a guy with a rifle walk down the street.



You forgot the best part




…. because he was white




You know that’s the card he’d play
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:23 pm to
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I am going to drop it and explain that I am going hunting. I will be on my way within a few minutes instead of dead on the pavement because I wanted to be a hardass in front of a cop



Your going to do so automatically and without hesitation? I take your point but I would imagine most people would hesitate for a moment before tossing their expensive O/U to the ground because a cop told them to. No matter what % would or would not hesitate there is NO reason for the cops to tell you nor this man to drop a weapon. In this case there are more than a few of them there.....they all have their weapons drawn and aimed at him....if he makes an aggressive move with the gun they shoot him and thats that....but as it stands they simply shot him, by their first press conference, because he had a gun, a loaded AR style gun, their words, not mine, was dress in fatigues, again, their words, not mine, and had communication device on his head....again, their words, not mine. It is improbably that their story does not change as soon as their lawyers tell them they fricked up....and most Americans will be OK with that because you simply must comply with the demands of the state no matter what....you do not own your life and body, the state does...according to far too many Americans....
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77268 posts
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:25 pm to
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Sad situation all around. Cops did what they had to but it's a shame our vets so often don't get the care they need.
Paying for Ukrainian soldiers and their care is more important.

Just ask the moderates in the Ukraine thread.
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