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re: Supreme Court rules non citizens can be held indefinitely without bond
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:34 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:34 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:True. When we think of something like this we often think of the MS-13 gang members and not the lowly cook at the Tex-Mex restaurant getting rail roaded
I like to think our criminal justice system was setup to punish the guilty after trial, not claim guilt before and have no obligation for a trial.
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:35 am to tLSU
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Yes, and they all had a bond hearing when they were initially brought in. It's no surprise that a person who has an extremely low chance of ever returning to court isn't given bond. This case has nothing to do with that. It's periodic bond hearing during the course of the case.
You're OK with an immigrant being held with no primary bond hearing while Immigration determines their legality?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:39 am to ThatMakesSense
You should read the Case. He had a hearing and was ordered removed. He was only here longer because he was appealing.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:45 am to tLSU
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You should read the Case. He had a hearing and was ordered removed. He was only here longer because he was appealing.
Does it not say immigrants are held without bond, until their legality is determined?
What the 9th circuit was saying was after 6 months, if immigration hadn't determined their legality, they should have a bond hearing on their charges.
Or did I read it wrong?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:58 am to TigerstuckinMS
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even if they have permanent legal status
Now this seems fricked up...
Aren't they US citizens at this point and should be given full rights as such?
No. These are people that have green cards. Basically that just means that they are not here on a visa and they can stay to live and work as long as they want to, barring a change in status. However, they are not citizens and do not have the same rights citizens do.
Ah.
I never knew green cards were considered permanent. If they can easily be revoked, how is that permanent?
I think that is just poor choice of words IMO.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 11:59 am to ThatMakesSense
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What the 9th circuit was saying was after 6 months, if immigration hadn't determined their legality, they should have a bond hearing on their charges.
It is interesting that Alito questioned if immigrants have a right to a bail hearing as well for criminal cases.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:14 pm to NYNolaguy1
Well that's really fricked up. I guess the US is now past even pretending to give a shite about human rights.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Justice Elena Kagan recusing, that immigrants do not have the right to periodic bond hearings.
:wow:
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:24 pm to NYNolaguy1
Why? If they aren’t supposed to be here deport them. Don’t let them sit in a cell wasting tax money.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:26 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Why would it take Immigration 3 years to determine if the complaintant in this case was legally authorized to be in the US?
Backlog?
Or California Legislature?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:37 pm to NYNolaguy1
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It is interesting that Alito questioned if immigrants have a right to a bail hearing as well for criminal cases
It's double sided. They'll let immigrants use up the appeal process but deny them a bond hearing.
Keep em in the system.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:41 pm to NYNolaguy1
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But this applies to all immigrants, legal and otherwise. It seems to me that basically if youre not a citizen you are a traffic stop away from being detained indefinitely, regardless if you are here legally or not. Thats not a small thing.
That's how it comes across to me as well.
shite this could be used to justify immigrant internment camps. W/how politicians suckle at the for profit prison teat this has the potential to spiral.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:47 pm to Dr RC
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That's how it comes across to me as well
The whole principle is retarded. The complaintant was arguing to stay in America, which he had been since 1987. All the while, the governments case was he was a potential flight risk.
Think about that for a second.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:44 pm to NYNolaguy1
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But this applies to all immigrants, legal and otherwise.
Not exactly but close. All non-citizen immigrants. Once you are granted citizenship, you are entitled to all the rights therein.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:51 pm to ThatMakesSense
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The whole principle is retarded. The complaintant was arguing to stay in America, which he had been since 1987. All the while, the governments case was he was a potential flight risk.
So you don't think a guy trying to avoid deportation is a risk to flee, assume another identity, and fail to show up for their next hearing which will likely mean they get deported?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
Yet another turnover for the 9the Circuit
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:06 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Yet another turnover for the 9the Circuit
If they work hard they can catch up to the 6th and 11th in overturn percentages!
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:22 pm to castorinho
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I've been eligible to become a citizen for a while now, finally applied earlier this year
Dude, that's awesome!
Looking forward to calling you a fellow countryman!
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:24 pm to tgrbaitn08
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even if they have permanent legal status
yeah i dont get that either
I can help. You can have permanent legal status, but then screw it up by committing a serious felony within 5 years of becoming a permanent resident. Or if you commit two felonies at any time, you have your permanent residency stripped from you.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:26 pm to mdomingue
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So you don't think a guy trying to avoid deportation is a risk to flee, assume another identity, and fail to show up for their next hearing which will likely mean they get deported?
The current percentage of those who don't show up for their immigration court hearings before the judge sits about 86%.
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