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re: Suppose you discovered there is no afterlife
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:53 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:53 pm to prplhze2000
Anyone who lives their life as if they are counting on an afterlife doesn’t deserve an afterlife.
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Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:55 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Good thing, bc you sure seem like a piece of shite.
Psalms 35-36
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:56 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Me too
Fwiw, I'm not an atheist. I believe we came from something that created us.
I have tremendous faith that something created all of this
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:59 pm to fightin tigers
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Judgement in today and now, not the person I repent to on my death bed
Yea people worry about that too much. No one knows who "gets in" or not. That's not the point. The point is do your best. And you'll mess up. We're capable of fallability, and we burn bridges that can't be unburned.
But we trust in the better version of each other and move on together. That's forgiveness, emulating God's love and forgiveness aa exemplified by Christ. Maybe it's enough or not. Worry about it later. But this myth of Hitler in his last seconds saying, "Oh, well I pledge myself to God!" saves him is a joke. Even if it did "save him," his sin is not your concern. Fix yourself. Who else "gets in" isn't our concern or burden to decide.
But that's what you practice, as you say. Self accountability. The problem is atheism gives an equally valid path toward self indulgence and bad behavior. Faith in Christ's example necessarily leads you to holding yourself to a better standard. I hear you. And that's how I tend to see the response to that issue. I appreciate the good conversation.
Incidentally, this is also the stuff Charlie would talk about. That is all so very sad.
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:03 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Thanks brother.
Firstly, I'm happy to hear that you've since found something that brings peace and stability to your life.
quote:Of course it's not. I wasn't a nihilist (well maybe for a little while), and damn sure wasn't a narcissist (I don't think) for the 30 years of my life without Him, and I still have siblings who are athiests who would move heaven and earth for me, and I them, along with siblings who fell along the same path as myself. I like atheists, I used to be one, a good one. Hell, I like everyone as long as they don't celebrate my death or hurt my family (because people who do that are not likeable people). In fact, I love them, believe it or not.
I do think it's important to remember that atheism isn't a moral/ethical code onto itself, and nihilism and narcissism aren't an inevitable result,
quote:The nihilism was, but as a young person, being a nihilist is almost inevitable anyways. I didn't personally have enough time to be a narcissist. I've always believed that other than actual psychological cases, which are statistically rare, narcissism is an acquired taste.
even if [not saying it was] that was your experience and outlook during your time as an atheist.
But what the hell do any of us know? So who knows, ya know?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:05 pm to fightin tigers
quote:10-4 brotha. Just voicing my opinion like you.
Fwiw, I'm not an atheist. I believe we came from something that created us. Whether it is a spak in pocket lint or some devine creator I have no idea.
Nothing I have seen in my life has ever been unexplainable nor caused me believe some greater being is pulling the strings. Without a doubt no one is grading me on hownI perform over 65 years or how an infant performs over 3 minutes before death.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:09 pm to RandySavage
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I disagree
We can disagree respectfully ha. One small step, right?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:17 pm to Barbellthor
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But this myth of Hitler in his last seconds saying, "Oh, well I pledge myself to God!" saves him is a joke.
I agree but what about this hypothetical. Let's say Hitler really did escape to Argentina, found Jesus, repented, and spent his last years helping the needy and being obedient to God. Would he be redeemed in God's eyes?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:19 pm to RandySavage
I think he would've been fine either way, forgiveness is based on belief and repentance, not works.
Case in point, the thief on the cross.
I think that people like Hitler are usually so far gone though, that they'd never repent or believe.
Case in point, the thief on the cross.
I think that people like Hitler are usually so far gone though, that they'd never repent or believe.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:25 pm to wall2321
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when someone decides that there is not afterlife,it is very likely that his moral boundaries disappear, because at that point nothing matters but his own enjoyment and will.
The claim that rejecting an afterlife erases moral boundaries fails on a few counts. Stoicism, Confucianism, Buddhism, and modern humanism all outline strong moral systems without recourse to an afterlife.
First, ethical codes arise naturally because humans live together and without codes and restraints communities and tribes collapse. Even animals display adherence to social norms within their communities. Second, it projects a weak foundation. If the only reason someone behaves morally is fear of hellfire, that’s not principled, it's transactionary ethics. Third, history offers counterexamples of societies that flourished without promise of an afterlife.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:25 pm to prplhze2000
I suspect most people wouldn't be affected by this news. Theists and atheists all justify their actions using whatever they have at their disposal anyway. There are non believers who walk more like Jesus than some who claim to love him.
The better question is what would you change if the afterlife was proven beyond doubt.
The better question is what would you change if the afterlife was proven beyond doubt.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:31 pm to Gings5
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When you live life for yourself and not a higher power, there is no absolute truth or morality and the goal posts keep moving.
If you have never seen a Christian dragging a goal post like Jesus headed to the Place of the Skull, I don't know what to tell you.
The reality is that someone not strong enough in will to follow rules they set for themselves is the same one who won't follow rules set by a third party. AFAIK, the confessional has not become an anachronism.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:33 pm to cbree88
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Exactly. If God doesn’t exist, then there’s no such thing as good & bad or right & wrong. God is the standard we base those things on. Without Him, every moral code is relative. We can’t have a conversation about good & bad or right & wrong if you don’t believe in God.
Are we forgetting that the Bible was written my man? Men with or without moral compasses? Everything you think you “know” about God, and the “moral code” He requires you to follow, was written by men who used their own relative moral codes to decipher God’s intentions. Were they right? What if they were wrong?
Someone on page 1 summed it up well when saying morality is nothing more than a set of rules established by society. For Mayans, human sacrifice was a moral act. Today, we’d call that murder. And we’d both be right depending on when and where our we were living our lives.
It’s astounding to me, absurd even, that people truly believe morality, or a respect for societal norms, cannot be attained without religion. It’s truly an insulting view of humanity.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:36 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Are we forgetting that the Bible was written my man?
God breathed
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:37 pm to kywildcatfanone
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God breathed
Jesus breathed. God never walked the Earth.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:39 pm to kywildcatfanone
I think one day spirituality and quantum mechanics will come close to merging.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:48 pm to AndyJ
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Right because your morality becomes relative, and you can justify whatever actions any way you want.
Everything about your religion and others is relative, until you don't want it to be. Christians and Muslims have the excuse of "I'm forgiven cause I believe", the ol' aceupthesleeve card. Ya'll are the champions of justification of any action.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think one day spirituality and quantum mechanics will come close to merging.
When it’s proven we’re each in our own simulated world with millions of parallel, alternate simulations playing out simultaneously?
Yes, you’re right. Or maybe you won’t be. Guess it depends which simulation we’re in.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:53 pm to deltadummy
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Ya'll are the champions of justification of any action.
Literally a dude saying Hitler could get into heaven as long as he asked for forgiveness before he died. It’s unreal lol
Posted on 9/12/25 at 6:56 pm to fightin tigers
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Stopped making me believe I could just ask for forgiveness and be granted it by some magical ghost in the sky.
That’s not exactly how it works.
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