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re: Study finds higher death rate in patients taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:32 pm to OWLFAN86
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:32 pm to OWLFAN86
Shut up bitch. Shouldn’t you be jerking off some dude in a wheelchair?
I love how the OP won’t respond but just downvote. I don’t care about the source. I can formulate my own opinions.
I love how the OP won’t respond but just downvote. I don’t care about the source. I can formulate my own opinions.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:32 pm to reddy tiger
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Trumpkins falling over themselves making ignorant assumptions to avoid facts and discredit the study.
Far from a Trumpkin. Just calling out BS.
This is a shite study.
Can you tell me why it isn't?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:33 pm to CrimsonFever
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A spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs said that the research findings should not be seen as definitive. "This was not a clinical trial. It is simply an analysis of retrospective data regarding hospitalized patients," she told Fox News, via email. "The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort."
Translation: “We gave the drug to the sickest patients we had and many of them still died.”
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:34 pm to reddy tiger
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Trumpkins falling over themselves making ignorant assumptions to avoid facts and discredit the study.
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"The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort."
The article does that on its own. Conveniently left out. But if it doesn’t fit the narrative.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:36 pm to RB10
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Translation: “We gave the drug to the sickest patients we had and they still died.”
Wife said they started a patient that was 464 lbs on it today and on vent. Patient's death will be the plaquenile's fault I'm sure.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:40 pm to CrimsonFever
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The study, which was paid for by grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia, has not been peer-reviewed.
The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment
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“We performed a retrospective analysis of data from patients hospitalized with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection in all United States Veterans Health Administration medical centers until April 11, 2020,” the researchers explained. Some 97 patients had been treated with just hydroxycholoroquine, 113 were treated with hydroxycholoroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin and 158 received “standard supportive management” for COVID-19.
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A spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs said that the research findings should not be seen as definitive. "This was not a clinical trial. It is simply an analysis of retrospective data regarding hospitalized patients," she told Fox News, via email. "The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort."
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:40 pm to noonan
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Seems like people like to choose one study over another for whatever their reasons. Funny how every article about the bad outcomes love to trot out some comment about Trump. Wonder why that is.
I've looked at the data. Basically eight more people died that were given hc alone than people that didn't att all. The problem in this is the underlying conditions were all different across the board. You can't conclude anything really.
And again the news wants to just report, more people die taking drug, provide no context.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:01 pm to tzimme4
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so now we're taking small incomplete studies as truth?
Both sides of the coin have been doing this.
Paging OKtiger
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:02 pm to Mohican
Welcome to the world of propaganda and intentional misinformation.
Do some research and it will all become clear.
Do some research and it will all become clear.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:05 pm to TH03
I could give two shits about the medicine.
I just think its ridiculous every newspaper is crediting this study when 1) it's a very small sample and that hasnt been verified by other scientists and 2) there's plenty of larger sample studies in NYC and NOLA for example that haven't been finished yet.
I just think its ridiculous every newspaper is crediting this study when 1) it's a very small sample and that hasnt been verified by other scientists and 2) there's plenty of larger sample studies in NYC and NOLA for example that haven't been finished yet.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:06 pm to CrimsonFever
I sure some will say this study is invalid because they don't like the outcome.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:07 pm to TruBrew
It’s invalid because it’s invalid.
“Marriage is the leading cause of divorce “
“Marriage is the leading cause of divorce “
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:10 pm to CrimsonFever
Jesus you obviously never took a statistics or survey class.
You know what the mortality rate is of anyone that takes a antibiotic??
100%
You know what the mortality rate is of anyone that takes a antibiotic??
100%
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:13 pm to uscpuke
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Did you sleep for 3 days straight, wake up, read this article and come post it on TD?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:17 pm to CrimsonFever
Man some of you people really really suck at discerning the weight and import of data and the way it's collected and analyzed.
This "study" has been discussed ad nauseum on here. It means approximately jack shite except that there still is no silver bullet miracle cure, which we already knew.
Retrospective chart study of 368 people, mostly with comorbidities. Yay.
This "study" has been discussed ad nauseum on here. It means approximately jack shite except that there still is no silver bullet miracle cure, which we already knew.
Retrospective chart study of 368 people, mostly with comorbidities. Yay.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:17 pm to CrimsonFever
That's as shitty of a headline as CNN.
Congrats, Fox.
Congrats, Fox.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:19 pm to CrimsonFever
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CrimsonFever
This is “study” is pathetic and the fact you bothered posting it makes you look stupid.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 10:27 pm to CrimsonFever
So the VA has a 19% death rate for patients with Covid?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:07 pm to dgnx6
Yea it was done after the fact. 7 of the 97 getting HC & 12 of the 113 getting HC & AZ didn't start medicine until after they were already put on ventilators. As it wasn't a study during their treatment (and is not a clinical trial at all), but at the time doctors trying to treat patients with different symptoms and different severity levels.
They (HC group & HC/AZ) also had a higher % of their numbers with median SpO2 below 95% and also below 90%; Had higher % of their numbers with median temps 38.1C or higher; Higher % of their numbers with tachycardia and median systolic blood pressure levels above 159 and 140 to 159; Had higher % of numbers with anemia and Higher % of their numbers with C reactive protein greater than 69.
The HC group had highest % of their numbers that were smokers, had Peripheral vascular disease, had congestive heart failure issues, had chronic pulmonary disease, had diabetes, had diabetes with complications, and also had highest median BMI at 30.5 and median age at 70 (though others at 68 and 69).
Besides all that All 3 groups totaled only 368 patients from VA hospitals (probably because they could get the data) and were all males between 59 and 75.
They (HC group & HC/AZ) also had a higher % of their numbers with median SpO2 below 95% and also below 90%; Had higher % of their numbers with median temps 38.1C or higher; Higher % of their numbers with tachycardia and median systolic blood pressure levels above 159 and 140 to 159; Had higher % of numbers with anemia and Higher % of their numbers with C reactive protein greater than 69.
The HC group had highest % of their numbers that were smokers, had Peripheral vascular disease, had congestive heart failure issues, had chronic pulmonary disease, had diabetes, had diabetes with complications, and also had highest median BMI at 30.5 and median age at 70 (though others at 68 and 69).
Besides all that All 3 groups totaled only 368 patients from VA hospitals (probably because they could get the data) and were all males between 59 and 75.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:24 pm to dallastigers
Sad that the OP won’t respond to the topic.
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