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re: Store clerk charged in shooting death of teen suspected of shoplifting a beer
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:56 am to slackster
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:56 am to slackster
Yeah, a lot of shite is “allowable” in Texas. Doesn’t mean it’s legal. Met a Texas officer once who was bragging about how he got arrests. Some federal agents overheard him and told him his methods were illegal and and violated the constitution. He went on a long rant about how “Texas is special” and could violate the constitution and everyone in Texas does it and he could do what he wanted to catch criminals. They got him fired with a quickness. It was at that point I started realizing how delusional the state of Texas is.
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:59 am to kywildcatfanone
quote:Right, which is why the shooter will be in jail for a while. He imposed the incorrect consequence to the shoplifter.
As they should have. At some point, decisions have consequences.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:00 am to kywildcatfanone
My favorite jury nullification case:
Black business man in his 50's goes into a convenience. Punk white kid slings a few n-words at him. He ignores the kid. Man comes out, kid keeps it up. Man chastises the punk and tells him that he is "way out of line." Kid drops one more and the man punches him out. Not a hold him down and kick him beatdown. It was a nice old fashioned butt kicking.
Basically, our defense was that the kid "needed a whipping." Jury agreed. Jury forewoman asked the Judge if she could speak and the Judge said "yes." She said "young man, you did need a whipping."
I had a few other "he needed a whipping cases." They were fun to take to trial.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:02 am to mdomingue
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EVen worse, the frickups who take lunch breaks. That’s an hour during the middle of the day where work isn’t getting done.
lunch breaks were seriously looked down upon in my last job and if they needed people fired, those people would often be at the very top. It was expected you could take 10-15 minutes to heat something up or go across the street to the food court to get something to take back but people were pretty much expected to be chained to their desks.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:02 am to PuntBamaPunt
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stealing beer from a gas station when underage...walk in, grab beer>run.
we found it easier to just pay a bum hanging out front to get it for us, he got a couple of beers for the trouble. everyone wins.
you forgot the most important part...you have to yell "WAHOOOO" as you run out.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:03 am to shel311
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Right, which is why the shooter will be in jail for a while. He imposed the incorrect consequence to the shoplifter.
Yep but it all started because the teen stole the beer. Not trying to justify him being shot but it all started with that and caused a domino effect ending in his death.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:04 am to athenslife101
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Yeah, a lot of shite is “allowable” in Texas. Doesn’t mean it’s legal.
I'm not taking up for Texas, just pointing out their laws. Shooting a suspect over property is allowable, particularly if they're fleeing. You can shoot a suspect if he's stealing and fleeing from your neighbor's home. It's happened.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:04 am to athenslife101
quote:what?
He went on a long rant about how “Texas is special” and could violate the constitution and everyone in Texas does it and he could do what he wanted to catch criminals. They got him fired with a quickness. It was at that point I started realizing how delusional the state of Texas is.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:15 am to DemonKA3268
quote:Sure, but like you said, that doesn't justify him being shot, so...
Yep but it all started because the teen stole the beer. Not trying to justify him being shot but it all started with that and caused a domino effect ending in his death.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:18 am to shel311
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Sure, but like you said, that doesn't justify him being shot, so...
Of course not, the clerk messed up.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:53 am to athenslife101
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lunch breaks were seriously looked down upon in my last job and if they needed people fired, those people would often be at the very top. It was expected you could take 10-15 minutes to heat something up or go across the street to the food court to get something to take back but people were pretty much expected to be chained to their desks.
Management probably wondered why people would jump at the first decent offer they got somewhere else too. I never understand this type of managerial thinking.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:55 am to mdomingue
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Management probably wondered why people would jump at the first decent offer they got somewhere else too. I never understand this type of managerial thinking.
Yep, if your employees are happy, they usually work better. Short lunches are stupid.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:56 am to DemonKA3268
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Yep but it all started because the teen stole the beer. Not trying to justify him being shot but it all started with that and caused a domino effect ending in his death.
Kind of my point. Don't steal, this doesn't happen. Not excusing the shooting, I wasn't there, don't know the specifics of the encounter, but if you don't steal, you aren't dead now. Decisions have consequences.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:59 am to kywildcatfanone
Yep, if he would have paid for the beer, he doesn't get shot whether the clerk was in the wrong or not. Definite cause and effect.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:15 am to rondo
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"wahooing"
Rondo,
Where did you go to high school and what year did you graduate?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:27 am to DemonKA3268
Regardless of the law, it takes a psychopath to shoot and kill someone over $10 of beer.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:30 am to DemonKA3268
While it shouldn't be the go-to response for all shoplifting, apparently the shoplifter thought it was okay enough to do so brazenly. He didn't deserve to die over a bottle of beer but he shouldn't have stolen it in the first place and shouldn't have resisted the clerk in the second.
Play stupid games...
Play stupid games...
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:32 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Regardless of the law, it takes a psychopath to shoot and kill someone over $10 of beer.
Not arguing that point. It started the dominos falling though.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:36 am to mdomingue
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Should your boss be able to shoot you for spending 15 minutes on Tigerdropping while at work?
More like 150 minutes amirite?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 10:53 am to chinhoyang
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Black business man in his 50's goes into a convenience. Punk white kid slings a few n-words at him. He ignores the kid. Man comes out, kid keeps it up. Man chastises the punk and tells him that he is "way out of line." Kid drops one more and the man punches him out. Not a hold him down and kick him beatdown. It was a nice old fashioned butt kicking.
Basically, our defense was that the kid "needed a whipping." Jury agreed. Jury forewoman asked the Judge if she could speak and the Judge said "yes." She said "young man, you did need a whipping."
I had a few other "he needed a whipping cases." They were fun to take to trial.
OT Hypothetical:
What would happen if there was a similar case with a Louisiana jury, and the 50 something business man was white, and the kid was black? How do you think that jury would respond? I'm curious.
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