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re: Store clerk charged in shooting death of teen suspected of shoplifting a beer
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:26 am to slackster
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:26 am to slackster
Itbdepends on the evidence. Has the clerk in the past threatened to kill people? Has his interactions or discussions in the past let people know that he was looking for an excuse to kill someone?
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:26 am to Ric Flair
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We always threw a ten dollar bill down on the counter when wahooing beer, which would cover the 12 pack. Less of a chance of the cops getting called (and come to find out, getting shot).
so wait, you used to walk in the store, grab a 12 pack, walk to the clerk and slap a $10 on the counter and run out? why didn't i ever think of that.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:28 am to DemonKA3268
First, I'm pretty sure he can't follow him out of the store and shoot him while he's fleeing. Even policemen are forbidden from doing this.
Secondly, unless the store clerk's life is in danger, I don't think he's allowed to use deadly force?
Secondly, unless the store clerk's life is in danger, I don't think he's allowed to use deadly force?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:31 am to mdomingue
EVen worse, the frickups who take lunch breaks. That’s an hour during the middle of the day where work isn’t getting done.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:34 am to DemonKA3268
Ya’ll think Dorian drank the beer before he died? Shot in the thigh and bled out. Yikes that had to suck. Two thing. 1. Frick this guy for shooting a dude over a beer. 2. Unlikely anyone tries to shop lift a $1.50 beer from them in the near future
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:35 am to DemonKA3268
When I first started practicing, I defended a store clerk who had beat up a shoplifter. He was charged with a misdemeanor and it clearly wasn't self-defense.
The victim had a huge string of shoplifting and theft arrests.
He said he just snapped - tired of all the thieves that come in and steal.
Texas jury walked him.
ETA: This wouldn't happen in Louisiana, even if we had jurors on misdeameanor cases. We have too many jurors who really don't have a problem with stealing.
The victim had a huge string of shoplifting and theft arrests.
He said he just snapped - tired of all the thieves that come in and steal.
Texas jury walked him.
ETA: This wouldn't happen in Louisiana, even if we had jurors on misdeameanor cases. We have too many jurors who really don't have a problem with stealing.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 8:47 am
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:35 am to Revelator
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Even policemen are forbidden from doing this.
To a certain extent. If a suspect is armed and fleeing the officer thinks it likely that the suspect will cause immediate violence to others in the vicinity, depending on the state, they can use judgement in dealing with situation
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 8:39 am
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:38 am to Revelator
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First, I'm pretty sure he can't follow him out of the store and shoot him while he's fleeing. Even policemen are forbidden from doing this. Secondly, unless the store clerk's life is in danger, I don't think he's allowed to use deadly force?
I agree with both points. Yes, shoplifting/stealing is bad but shooting him over it was not justified.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:40 am to athenslife101
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To a certain extent. If a suspect is armed and fleeing the officer thinks it likely that the suspect will cause immediate violence to others in the vicinity, depending on the state, they can.
True but the employee wasn't a cop and there is no way he could no if he was going to cause immediate violence to others.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:42 am to chinhoyang
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When I first started practicing, I defended a store clerk who had beat up a shoplifter. He was charged with a misdemeanor and it clearly wasn't self-defense.
The victim had a huge string of shoplifting and theft arrests.
He said he just snapped - tired of all the thieves that come in and steal.
Texas jury walked him.
As they should have. At some point, decisions have consequences.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:43 am to kywildcatfanone
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As they should have. At some point, decisions have consequences.
Make the offense for stealing harsh and this isn't as likely to happen.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:44 am to rondo
quote:What is this?
"wahooing".
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:44 am to DemonKA3268
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Make the offense for stealing harsh and this isn't as likely to happen.
Exactly.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:45 am to athenslife101
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EVen worse, the frickups who take lunch breaks. That’s an hour during the middle of the day where work isn’t getting done.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:47 am to DemonKA3268
Yep, I agree this guy fricked up. Just wanted to point out the difference and it’s definitely a sticky difference but to use lethal force, an officer has to believe they themselves or members of the public are in danger, lethally or other extreme violence.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:47 am to athenslife101
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Shooting someone who is fleeing is a big no no wherever you are.
Allowable in Texas.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:47 am to ReauxlTide222
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What is this?
stealing beer from a gas station when underage...walk in, grab beer>run.
we found it easier to just pay a bum hanging out front to get it for us, he got a couple of beers for the trouble. everyone wins.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:48 am to athenslife101
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Yep, I agree this guy fricked up. Just wanted to point out the difference and it’s definitely a sticky difference but to use lethal force, an officer has to believe they themselves or members of the public are in danger, lethally or other extreme violence.
Agreed
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:50 am to DemonKA3268
If I had to guess, he was probably just trying to send a scare mess: "if you try to steal here, we will come after you." Sucks for him that it actually hit him.
And yes, if the person is running away, you shouldn't be shooting at them. It's sucks, but it's the way the laws work.
And yes, if the person is running away, you shouldn't be shooting at them. It's sucks, but it's the way the laws work.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:51 am to DemonKA3268
Bet he won't steal anything again
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