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re: Statistics on black on black crimes, police on black killing

Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:12 am to
Posted by Tigerstudent08
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:12 am to
Yea I'm pretty sure 40% of murder cases go unsolved so the whole people are brought to justice thing is BS.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:12 am to
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Is that what you saw on law and order?


His analysis is on point.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:13 am to
Preach, like Brother Ray!
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:14 am to
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My takeaway from those stats is a country of over 300 million people is policed with only 500 deaths per year, most of which are justified.


Except for this past March alone cops have already killed more than 100 people. Extrapolated, that's 1200/year.

LINK

The scary part is that very well may be an underestimate because police aren't required to disclose who they kill to statisticians.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:14 am to
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You're a fricking idiot if you don't see the difference between an individual committing a murder and a police officer committing a murder and then facing no consequences for it because his cop buddies stick up for him and the state refuses to prosecute him. When one black guy from the neighborhood kills another black guy from the neighbor hood, and they know who did it, that guy goes to jail for a long time. When a cop kills a black guy, even if there's video of it, nothing is done. And there is outrage about black on black crime. Just because you don't hear about it on the news doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


And youre a fricking idiot if you cant see the hypocrisy in it all. "BLACK LIVES MATTER.....AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT KILLED BY OTHER BLACKS" is the problem. The "peaceful protestors" that are "outraged" are carrying incomplete signs. The entire relevancy of the OP went completely over your head if you try to argue the point that cops get away with unjust bullshite. It's not right, it's not fair and yes something should be done about it. Guess what, politicians lie. That will always happen.
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-2010 Bureau of Justice Statistics conclude that 93% of black homicide victims from 1980 through 2008 were killed by black offenders


This statistic requires no rebuttal. By even sidestepping this and presenting an argument, you are doing exactly what the black community does with the "yea, but a white cop killed a black guy" argument. A cop killing a black man is such a small and microscopic part of the problem in this country that it's absurd to even put it in the top ten list of things that need to change. Blacks killing blacks needs to be addressed from within the community but it never will because of the culture that festures and pulsates entitlement, lack of intelligence, lack of responsibility, and most of all a lack of PRIDE.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 8:16 am
Posted by meauxjeaux2
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:15 am to
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:16 am to
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Plus the good ole boy system of the thin blue line rarely leads to arrests or justice for the victims of police brutality.


This isn't as common as you perceive it to be but lets go with it anyway.

How is it any different than when a black man shoots another in his neighborhood / at a club and no witnesses are willing to come forward? Or when everybody on the block knows that a guy sells crack on the corner every day but nobody says anything about it?

You talk of protecting their own? The black community is the worst on this. I have personally spoken with that lady in the "hood" that grew up there and complains about how bad crime is. She is also the same one that let her nephew sleep in her shed while he was hiding from the police for crimes he committed in the same neighborhood she wants cleaned up.
Posted by bgtiger
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:30 am to
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Not sure why outrage for one situation but not the other? When a black person kills another black person, any and all suspects will be rounded up and there will likely be a prosecution.


Except that in many of those cases, the investigations to try and find justice for the victims family is thwarted by others of the same race willfully withholding information that could help catch a murderer in the community.

All of these tragedies where police kill a black man are lumped as one big "issue", no context.

Posted by Monk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
3660 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:33 am to
Its tough to understand but basically it's like saying the "N" word. Only blacks can say the "N" word and only blacks can kill other blacks.
Posted by Billder
Where you live
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:33 am to
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Did you seriously post this?


He did. I get his point. What's yours?
Posted by TigerHam85
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:35 am to
My only question is why are these black men being approached by cops so often?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:38 am to
Post the black on white crime statistics too please.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:39 am to
it's typically isolated areas of high violence. there are more areas of high violence with a predominantly black population than ones with white populations. there are plenty of white trash areas that get over-policed, too, but they aren't often located in urban areas where policing can be truly concentrated

black offenders commit about half the murders but only accounts for approximately 13-15% of the population. there is disproportionate violence in those demos, so there will be disproportionate policing in those areas. this breeds the contentious relationships between police and the population (b/c violent offenders are very rare in that population, even where violence is high)
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 8:40 am
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:39 am to
Find a ride along program in an urban environment. The experience well explain A LOT to you.
Posted by BBATiger
Member since Jun 2005
16773 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:48 am to
How many people REALLY care if a Black or White person gets killed unjustly today? We say we do, but we just cherry pick special cases to focus on. People get so consumed with their agenda, that no solution is ever really addressed.

I don't think one thing will change in Missouri or Baltimore after what has happened.....and that's a damned shame.
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:52 am to
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This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 8:57 am
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:54 am to
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How many people REALLY care if a Black or White person gets killed unjustly today?


Honest question, have you ever had any involvement in a murder case? Known a victim, witness anything. Believe me there are people who care. I can give you details on every homicide I have helped investigate. Some shite I wish I could forget.
Posted by SmokeyB
Ellick
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:56 am to
Let's not bring "facts" into this.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87342 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:58 am to
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Aren't 84% of the whites murdered, murdered by black people?



Opposite. I think in 2013 about 13-15% of murders of whites were black on white.

About 7 percent of murders of black people were white on black.

I'm pretty sure it goes up considerably (black on white crime) for lesser offenses, but I can't find those breakdowns.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70462 posts
Posted on 4/29/15 at 8:59 am to
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When a black person kills another black person, any and all suspects will be rounded up and there will likely be a prosecution.


Except in New Orleans where if they even catch anyone at all, they release them within 2 weeks because no one testifies and no one really investigates.
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