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re: Stanford swimmer who raped unconsciousness woman gets shorter sentence
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:01 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:01 am to TbirdSpur2010
Brian Banks came out today with a statement about this case. I can imagine his blood is boiling.
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Sidenote: Didn't come out that the judge is affiliated with the Stanford athletic department in some way or is that just a rumor?
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Banks, who works in the NFL's Los Angeles office, was 16 years old when he was accused of rape and tried as an adult. He was sent to juvenile hall for a year before his case came up. He faced 41 years to life in prison and first turned down plea deals for 25, 18 and nine years. Why? He didn't do it. He finally agreed to undergo 90 days of observation in Chico State Prison with assurances from his attorney that he would then get probation. It was a better option, he was told, than a young black kid facing an all-white jury.
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"I would say it's a case of privilege," Banks said. "It seems like the judge based his decision on lifestyle. He's lived such a good life and has never experienced anything serious in his life that would prepare him for prison. He was sheltered so much he wouldn't be able to survive prison. What about the kid who has nothing, he struggles to eat, struggles to get a fair education? What about the kid who has no choice who he is born to and has drug-addicted parents or a non-parent household? Where is the consideration for them when they commit a crime?" It wasn't until 2012 when the Banks’ accuser recanted her story that he got his life back and was declared an innocent man. He wound up serving five years and two months in prison and five years of high custody parole.
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Sidenote: Didn't come out that the judge is affiliated with the Stanford athletic department in some way or is that just a rumor?
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:04 am to JBeam
quote:I can and do 100% sympathize with those coming up in terrible backgrounds. But at the end of the day, they can't get a pass for it when they commit crimes. If the 1st 1 or 2 or 5 jail sentences doesn't get you to change your tune, then nothing will, adn while it may be unfortunate, that person is probably a lost cause more times than not.
What about the kid who has nothing, he struggles to eat, struggles to get a fair education? What about the kid who has no choice who he is born to and has drug-addicted parents or a non-parent household? Where is the consideration for them when they commit a crime?"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:59 am to JBeam
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Didn't come out that the judge is affiliated with the Stanford athletic department in some way or is that just a rumor?
Judge played lacrosse at Stanford.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:01 am to GaryMyMan
quote:Was she a Stanford student? If so, other than the judge having specific ties to anyone in the swim team organization, I don't see the big deal.
Judge played lacrosse at Stanford.
If not, then it does make some sense, but still not sure it warrants a new judge just because he went to the same school as the accused.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:01 am to Topwater Trout
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I've been shite faced plenty of times. Never raped someone. Go figure.
Ever had sex while really drunk or with someone that was really drunk?
drunk yes, drunk to the point of being unconscious, no
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:41 am to Topwater Trout
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Ever had sex while really drunk or with someone that was really drunk?
Yes. Never with someone who was unconscious and never with someone random and drunk. It's simply not worth risking it in a borderline situation, so consent had to be unequivocal.
This argument that both are drunk so both are culpable is nuts. Getting drunk and raped is NOT your fault. Getting drunk and raping someone is your fault. Cut and dry.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:54 am to slackster
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This argument that both are drunk so both are culpable is nuts. Getting drunk and raped is NOT your fault. Getting drunk and raping someone is your fault. Cut and dry.
tigerdroppings.com...where this line of reasoning can be seen as controversial by many.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:09 pm to GeauxTigerTM
People try to justify the actions of terrible people behind the guise of "personal accountability."
We can have that conversation, but the second it takes away from the responsibility of the person who actually committed the damn rape, it's gone too far.
We can have that conversation, but the second it takes away from the responsibility of the person who actually committed the damn rape, it's gone too far.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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anyone that writes one additional comment in this thread without having taken the time to read the full victim statement posted here really does deserved to be perma-banned.
This...it is pretty deplorable what this girl and her family went through. I'm telling you right now if I was any man in her life that cared about her (boyfriend, brother, father, uncle, etc) I'd probably have killed that swimmer at least 2-3 times by now and probably his dad too. Too claim that what happened to her was OK because they were both drunk is probably the most reprehensible thing I've ever heard a human say and this prick's dad continues to say it.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:04 am to LSU316
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:17 am to tiderider
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women get raped even when they're not drinking ... no female should have to worry about getting raped, ever
Women get raped or they shouldn't worry about it..which is it?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:22 am to GaryMyMan
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Doesn't give some twerp the right to stick his fingers in her
A guy goes looking for pussy and finds some behind a dumpster. He wasnt passing it up knowing he is the only guy that can say he actually found some pussy.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:56 am to slackster
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Never with someone who was unconscious and never with someone random and drunk. It's simply not worth risking it in a borderline situation, so consent had to be unequivocal.
Prove it.
The actual undeniable truth is that you can't.
Any of the girls that you were with in your life can wake up tomorrow & acuse you of rape. Hell, they could even still have the panties or some soiled article of clothing from that night. They can get a friend to submit a statement that they heard her deny you &/or tell you to stop. But they never came forward for any number of reasons.
The fact of the matter is that we've reached a DANGEROUS point where women have all of the control over the back end of any sexual encounter, consentual or rape.
On top of that, I know plenty of people who got hammered drunk, banged it out, have no recollection, ended up pregnant, & now are parents.
Prove to me that it wasn't rape.
You can't without HER testimony, maybe some bruising, or somehow a witness or sex tape/audio of a "No/Stop".
How many times have you seen/heard the situation of 2 people waking up after a "wild night" with the question of "Did we do it?" & yet the only answer is yes. No proof of a failure to secure consent...so, was it rape?
We've gotten to a point where a guy needs to have an audio recording or a girl giving consent, signing a document, & even following up with recording post-coitous to prove without a doubt that the sex was consentual. Otherwise, you're guilty until proven innocent. Life ruined either way.
DO NOT GO CRAZY WITH A FURIOUS REPLY. I AM NOT DEFENDING RAPE OF ANY KIND, MERELY POINTING OUT SOME BAD GRAY AREAS.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:50 am to Titus Pullo
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9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.
Very underrated post here.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:54 am to idlewatcher
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I really hope you aren't raising any daughters. You are one scary person with that mentality
Actually, if you are raising a daughter and DON'T tell her not to pass out behindbdumpsters, then you are the worst father on earth.
I have a daughter and I plan to include passing out at Frat houses, heroin shooting galleries, football team locker rooms, etc.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:01 am to X123F45
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I don't care if he's built like a brick shite house, he'd learn quick like and in a hurry his old man wasn't always some jolly fat fricker who laughs too loud.
I'd probably still love my son. My love for my children is pretty unconditional.
I would just makes sure he got the help he needed.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 3:18 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:12 am to Jet12
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I saw this quote floating around recently..."If you're promoting changes to women's behaviour to "prevent" rape, you're really saying "make sure he rapes the other girl"." If you don't think that's scary, you're the problem
Horrible logic. Protecting one person doesn't mean you intend harm on another.
If I tell my friend to buckle up in a car it doesn't mean I want someone else to die in a car wreck.
It's called a preventative measure and we take them every day. Not passing out behind a dumpster is a preventative measure.
ALTHOUGH just because she did that doesnt meanbshe deserved anything that happened to her. That guy is a rapist AMD should be treated as such.
And if you think I'm wrong, ask that girl if she'll ever get that drunk again. I bet she agrees with me that its a bad idea. vaginas aren't excuses to Throw caution to the wind but some people sure act like they are.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:40 am to slackster
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Walking through a bad neighborhood shouldn't result in a mugging or being murdered. Getting too drunk and passing out shouldn't result in a sexual assault.
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WTF kind of thinking is that?
It's a kind of thinking that is well intentioned and idealistic but still incredibly naive and gullible as hell that refuses to account for the evil and predatory side of human nature. Not everybody is going to have the same compassion for their fellow human being as you do. Not even citizens of the most powerful and advanced first world country there is. People are cruel, unpredictable and lastly untrustworthy until they demonstrate otherwise.
My chances of getting robbed or murdered and getting raped are pretty much zero because I don't walk through bad neighborhoods and I don't get drunk in front of strangers in places I've never visited before.
I understand why your beliefs are there and I really wish I shared them but to me its dangerous as evil predators out there depend on them to victimize innocent people who are putting themselves in bad situations regardless of whether it was knowingly or unknowingly.
With that said, I know for a fact that the judge fricked up here and the rapist should've been put away for goddamn life and required to pay restitution to the victim. I hope the judge gets recalled and the margin isn't even close. frick that judge and frick the POS rapist. From what I've read of the victim statement, it seems like she's a capable woman that can and will pull herself through this. Good luck to her.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:24 am to Sentrius
From a political standpoint, I'm shocked this is going in California, of all places. You know, the Progressive center of the universe.
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