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re: Standardized Tests (ACT,SAT) were supposed to be equalizers
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:08 pm to armsdealer
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:08 pm to armsdealer
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Nobody is asking their doctor their GPA or what they made or a board exam.
Shouldn’t have to ask, it should be posted.
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Even if this is true, which I have serious doubts, it’s still the best way and most fair way to determine who gets into certain colleges and programs. The “wholistic” approach to admissions is a bunch of poppycock that progressives use to justify discriminating against some groups of people in order to make their admissions brochures more diverse looking
The elite institutions are driving this. They're anticipating the effects of the Supreme Court likely striking down racial considerations in admissions. If standardized tests remain a factor, these standarized tests will become more important than before in admissions and populations who do very well on these tests (most significantly Asians) stand to dramatically increase. These institutions are trying to avoid the inevitable blowback from that.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:25 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Nit everyone knows the strategy and methods for performing optimally on standardized tests
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Standardized tests aren’t an equal measuring tool for knowledge or intelligence
Um...
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:27 pm to LSUGrrrl
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That’s not the case when higher income kids take prep courses to teach the test strategy while lower income students can’t pay for the same.
a. Life's not fair
b. If you truly are intelligent, the courses will only help you marginally.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:27 pm to TigerDoc
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They're anticipating the effects of the Supreme Court likely striking down racial considerations in admissions. If standardized tests remain a factor, these standarized tests will become more important than before in admissions and populations who do very well on these tests (most significantly Asians) stand to dramatically increase. These institutions are trying to avoid the inevitable blowback from that.
I'm not disagreeing, but it's amazing the lengths they will go to be racist as shite against marginalized populations.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:32 pm to armsdealer
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Meh, the vast majority of licensing tests are pass/fail. Nobody is asking their doctor their GPA or what they made or a board exam.
I’ll take missing the point for 1000 Alex
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:40 pm to TigerDoc
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These institutions are trying to avoid
What would this blowback be and why?
For me, this is a rhetorical question. I just want to see if the board commies are honest.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not disagreeing, but it's amazing the lengths they will go to be racist as shite against marginalized populations.
Doc and his merry band of "Progress"ives are OK with the racism of low expectations. Without it, they would lose a LOT of political clout. It also appears as though many of these groups are perfectly OK with being looked up as stupid, helpless victims.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:43 pm to armsdealer
I get asked what school I attended more than you would think. I suppose that in Louisiana that is a version of what was your score
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:47 pm to dinosaur
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I get asked what school I attended more than you would think. I suppose that in Louisiana that is a version of what was your score
This is a thread about college, not high school
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:58 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The idea was that a kid from a small town in Louisiana with good grades at a public school would be able to demonstrate that he or she was as smart as a kid from the East Coast who went to a prep school.
That was likely true 50 years ago. It could probably still work if they implemented some impromptu element that can’t be gamed.
Everybody seems to love an anecdote about having a hangover and nearly achieving a perfect score…yet nobody ever mentions the 36 week prep course their parents forced them to take beforehand.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:58 pm to DocHolliday1964
I'm split on the P/F discussion - on one hand, students have to be stratified by one metric or another. With p/f step1, I really think all emphasis will be placed on step2, which will be associated with its own issues (no 'hard stop' until the end of 3rd year for students applying to competitive specialties. I've noticed a lot of people planning on applying to super competitive surg subspecialties who I think would have been filtered out by now to more reasonable expectations with a scored step1).
On the other hand, the information tested on step1 became some esoteric as to be useless in the clinical setting.
All in all, I think I would have benefited from a scored step1, and would have preferred to have that option.
On the other hand, the information tested on step1 became some esoteric as to be useless in the clinical setting.
All in all, I think I would have benefited from a scored step1, and would have preferred to have that option.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:29 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Nit everyone knows the strategy and methods for performing optimally on standardized tests and there are those that do who overperform
Meh...I never did any prep for standardized tests.
The only strategy and method I used was to read the question then select the correct answer. Worked for me...but that’s just me. I can certainly understand that not everyone would understand this strategy or method though.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:33 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The idea was that a kid from a small town in Louisiana with good grades at a public school would be able to demonstrate that he or she was as smart as a kid from the East Coast who went to a prep school.
is not the same thing as...
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saw standardized tests as a way to improve diversity in that black kids who were smart would score well on the exams as well as kids from private schools.
Once they started using standardized testing as a means of increasing racial demographics (instead of simply best scores with no other qualifiers), that's when the problems started and why now the push is equity over equality (ie: equality of outcome over equality of opportunity).
This is what happens when government gets involved.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 1:38 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
I posted this video the other day in reference to something else, but this is a George Carlin video. Forward to 6:35 and he starts talking about education in this country.
Personally, I actually think he is spot on here.
George Carlin
Personally, I actually think he is spot on here.
George Carlin
Posted on 11/19/22 at 2:05 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Years ago, I saw an interview where the person was claiming standardized tests had a cultural bias. As an example, she showed a question that asked “What is the weather like?” and there was a drawing of an older woman holding an umbrella. The correct answer was “rainy” although “sunny” was often chosen by some cultures.
I understood the point but it also seemed to point out that there were observable behavioral differences between different cultures.
I understood the point but it also seemed to point out that there were observable behavioral differences between different cultures.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 2:12 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:So they wouldn't have to take tests after each chapter of material in order to demonstrate their level of mastery in each subject..???.>>
but would be a much better fit in a university program than someone who knows how to test well.
How do you determine their knowledge? Test score may vary if you had a bad day but remains within a range for each particular student.
This is why women shouldn't vote.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 2:14 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
They are doing minorities no favors. I was sent to a new cardiologist last year, she was a young black woman, who said I needed a cath procedure. Because of affirmative action I have to think she is not as qualified as a white or Asian doctor. She maybe the greatest cardiologist in the world, but this is my life and I don't want to take that chance for the sake of diversity.
Call me a racist, but I'm still alive.
Call me a racist, but I'm still alive.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 4:00 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Yes but the ways to game the test ended that shite
Posted on 11/19/22 at 4:05 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
We are moving away from enrollment based on academic standards and achievement. And it is a disaster.
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