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Standardized Tests (ACT,SAT) were supposed to be equalizers
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:09 am
The idea was that a kid from a small town in Louisiana with good grades at a public school would be able to demonstrate that he or she was as smart as a kid from the East Coast who went to a prep school.
That standardized tests was to even the playing field so even kids that went to a poorer public school could demonstrate reading, writing and math skills and knowledge of science and social sciences.
Elite schools wanted to show that they were not just schools for rich kids with connections and truly elite universities for all.
Even schools like LSU up to the 1990s saw standardized tests as a way to improve diversity in that black kids who were smart would score well on the exams as well as kids from private schools.
That standardized tests was to even the playing field so even kids that went to a poorer public school could demonstrate reading, writing and math skills and knowledge of science and social sciences.
Elite schools wanted to show that they were not just schools for rich kids with connections and truly elite universities for all.
Even schools like LSU up to the 1990s saw standardized tests as a way to improve diversity in that black kids who were smart would score well on the exams as well as kids from private schools.
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Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:11 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Ralph_Wiggum
Commie is sad that daddy govt failed?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:13 am to beerJeep
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Commie is sad that daddy govt failed?
ACT and SAT are not government tests. They are private companies.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:15 am to Ralph_Wiggum
In what way are they not equalizers?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:16 am to Ralph_Wiggum
This kind of crap is moving up to all levels. The Step 1 medical licensing exam recently went pass/fail. All that's going to do is harm the great students from less prestigious schools. It's no surprise that for Step 1, it was Harvard med students pushing for pass/fail; they've already got it made simply on reputation.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:18 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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ACT and SAT are not government tests. They are private companies.
The test aren’t what failed…. Daddy govts schools did.
The regulations that daddy govt put into place to punish schools for failing kids are the problems, not the tests.
fricking pinko.
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:18 am to Ralph_Wiggum
The statistics and results from standardized tests showed something that the liberal elites didn’t like
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:20 am to Upperdecker
Probably that our schools are one expensive failure.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:24 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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In what way are they not equalizers?
Standardized tests aren’t an equal measuring tool for knowledge or intelligence. Nit everyone knows the strategy and methods for performing optimally on standardized tests and there are those that do who overperform.
Some people don’t test well in those kinds of tests but would be a much better fit in a university program than someone who knows how to test well.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:26 am to STLDawg
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The Step 1 medical licensing exam recently went pass/fail
Meh, the vast majority of licensing tests are pass/fail. Nobody is asking their doctor their GPA or what they made or a board exam.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:30 am to armsdealer
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Nobody is asking their doctor their GPA or what they made or a board exam.
Patients may not care, but licensing exam scores play a huge role in medical student' applications to residency, both helping determine subspecialty and location.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:33 am to LSUGrrrl
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Some people don’t test well in those kinds of tests but would be a much better fit in a university program than someone who knows how to test well.
I don't know what kind of university programs you are talking about, but the tests measure your ability in mathematics, which is necessary for any science or engineering field, and reading ability which is necessary for every other legitimate field of study.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:43 am to armsdealer
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Meh, the vast majority of licensing tests are pass/fail. Nobody is asking their doctor their GPA or what they made or a board exam
The issue with Step 1 going pass/fail is that scores were being used as a metric by residency programs in the evaluation of candidates for training programs. Those DO matter. What Harvard did was to remove a discriminator against underperforming medical students getting into competitive training programs. I think that I want my neurosurgeon to be the best available and not one chosen on social issues and that is exactly what is now happening. The “social programming” was more difficult when there was a score to discriminate between otherwise equal candidates.
This post was edited on 11/19/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:48 am to LSUGrrrl
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Nit everyone knows the strategy and methods for performing optimally on standardized tests
Isn't this valuable? Knowing the material is a first order skill. Developing sound strategy for maximizing that knowledge through context, deduction, and instruction comprehension is a second order skill.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:50 am to LSUGrrrl
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Standardized tests aren’t an equal measuring tool for knowledge or intelligence. Nit everyone knows the strategy and methods for performing optimally on standardized tests and there are those that do who overperform. Some people don’t test well in those kinds of tests but would be a much better fit in a university program than someone who knows how to test well.
Even if this is true, which I have serious doubts, it’s still the best way and most fair way to determine who gets into certain colleges and programs. The “wholistic” approach to admissions is a bunch of poppycock that progressives use to justify discriminating against some groups of people in order to make their admissions brochures more diverse looking
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:52 am to GRTiger
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Isn't this valuable? Knowing the material is a first order skill. Developing sound strategy for maximizing that knowledge through context, deduction, and instruction comprehension is a second order skill.
It’s very valuable but we are discussing the tests being equalizers. That’s not the case when higher income kids take prep courses to teach the test strategy while lower income students can’t pay for the same.
I’m nit arguing for or against the tests, in general. I’m just pointing out how they can not be the equalizers they were planned to be.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:55 am to Ralph_Wiggum
The interests of Equity now render the old ways obsolete. The old ways were based on merit alone and not skin color. The USA has abandoned the old ways are enter the Era of Equity, in which skin color and sexuality are more important than individual merit.
The USA now stands for Collective Guilt and discrimination based on skin color and sexuality. How "American" is that?
The USA now stands for Collective Guilt and discrimination based on skin color and sexuality. How "American" is that?
Posted on 11/19/22 at 11:59 am to LSUGrrrl
I steer away from conflating the preparatory efforts of individuals with the equalizing nature of the tests themselves. Blaming the tests instead of the availability of prep resources is how you get to a place where you're lowering standards or curving based on arbitrary social factors, rather than targeting the root cause and remediating the resource gap.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:01 pm to GRTiger
That’s a valid point but likely involves more tax dollars.
Posted on 11/19/22 at 12:08 pm to Champagne
The tests have exposed an inconvenient truth. Every bit of bias has been scrubbed from standardized tests and the results still skew in a direction that offends liberal America. Their answer: ditch the tests.
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