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St. Peter and St. Paul were both martyred in Rome on this day 1,958 years ago...
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:51 pm
Christian tradition posits that it was on this day nearly 2,000 years ago that Peter and Paul were both martyred in Rome. The Emperor Nero had deliberately set fire to a district of the city to make way for a new building project and had made Christians within the city walls the scapegoats. Paul, a Roman citizen, was given a "clean" death by beheading while Peter was crucified upside down at his own request on a cross atop a hill called Vaticanus Mons. The site of their martyrdom is where the Vatican and St. Peter's Basilica sit in Rome today.
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:53 pm to RollTide1987
and alter boys have paying the price ever since
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:54 pm to RollTide1987
For some reason I thought Paul lived like 200 years after Christ
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:54 pm to RollTide1987
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The Emperor Nero
I thought you were gonna say Hunter Biden
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:56 pm to RollTide1987
I’ll admit to knowing nothing about religious history.
But requesting to be crucified upside down seems a large tale, eh?
But requesting to be crucified upside down seems a large tale, eh?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:58 pm to RollTide1987
Catholic tradition
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:58 pm to ThatMakesSense
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I’ll admit to knowing nothing about religious history.
But requesting to be crucified upside down seems a large tale, eh?
The story goes that he felt himself unworthy to be crucified in the same way that Jesus was. The upside down cross, while in Hollywood a symbol for the Devil, is actually a symbol of St. Peter's.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:00 pm to RollTide1987
The podcast “Dictators” has an excellent episode about Nero’s life if anyone is interested. They cover other Roman emperors as well.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:04 pm to RollTide1987
May God bless you for your reminder. June 29th is the feast day of St. Peter and St. Paul. They are both remembered on this date.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:05 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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For some reason I thought Paul lived like 200 years after Christ
You're probably thinking of some of the writers of the gospels and other parts of the Bible, as those stories really weren't written down until as late as the second century as histories of the life of Jesus as it was told in the stories the authors collected.
Paul, on the other hand, was also called Saul and actively persecuted Christians until a resurrected Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus and told him he was naughty and then Paul went blind. Later, the "scales fell from his eyes" and he could see again. Saul, then able to understand what he did not understand before, converted and became perhaps even more important to the foundation and spread of Christianity than Peter.
Paul was pretty much contemporary to Jesus, though he didn't become a follower until after the crucifixion and the two never met in the flesh, as it were.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:18 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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You're thinking of some of the writers of the gospels and other parts of the Bible, but you are correct that Paul came after Christ, though shortly after.
He was Saul and actively persecuted Christians until a resurrected Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus and told him he was naughty. Saul then converted and began spreading the word. They were pretty much contemporaries, though the never met in the flesh, as it were.
They actually were contemporaries. It’s widely accepted that Saul’s encounter with Christ took place just a few years after the crucifixion, like somewhere around 5 years, give or take, after. He was already a grown man when this happened. Thus, Saul did in fact live in the time of Christ. It’s believed he was born around the same time as Christ.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:30 pm to RollTide1987
Paul > Peter imho
Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:40 pm to RollTide1987
Lot of folks who knew Jesus personally allowed themselves to be tortured to death rather than renounce he was God.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:07 pm to Gaggle
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Lot of folks who knew Jesus personally allowed themselves to be tortured to death rather than renounce he was God.
This point is key. Remember when the Romans came and arrested Christ in the garden his followers were all there with Him. What did those followers do? They all ran and went into hiding. Even Peter himself denied Him three times before the sun even got up good.
But then something changed. Those same men who ran away and hid like cowards, just weeks later all dedicated their lives to spreading His Gospel. They gave up literally everything they had to travel the world (as they knew it) to tell perfect strangers, most of which they knew would be hostile, that this man named Jesus was in fact the resurrected Son of God. They endured mockery, poverty, imprisonment, torture, and horrible deaths.
So what changed for them from the time Jesus was arrested to when they all decided to throw away life as they’d known in to dedicate their life to telling people His message?
Why would they do this? They saw him taken away. They knew he was crucified and died on the cross. But then they give up everything to tell people he was (1) the Son of God (3) the Messiah and (3) had come back from the dead. Why do that???
Explain to me how that’s possible by any natural means.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:27 pm to ThatMakesSense
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But requesting to be crucified upside down seems a large tale, eh?
Not really. I made the same request part of my living will.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:30 pm to RollTide1987
I feel dumb. What feast is the one that has the baked goods altar, awesome cookies, etc
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:31 pm to Oates Mustache
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What feast is the one that has the baked goods altar, awesome cookies, etc
St. Joseph - March 19
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:32 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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You're probably thinking of some of the writers of the gospels and other parts of the Bible, as those stories really weren't written down until as late as the second century
That’s false
Every book in the NT was written before roughly 90AD (with John’s gospel and Revelation being last)
I personally believe Matthew was originally written in Hebrew and may even predate Mark.
You may be confusing the writings of the NT with the canonization of the NT.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:47 pm to theunknownknight
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That’s false
Every book in the NT was written before roughly 90AD (with John’s gospel and Revelation being last)
I personally believe Matthew was originally written in Hebrew and may even predate Mark.
You may be confusing the writings of the NT with the canonization of the NT.
I think it is almost a certainty the synoptic gospels penned before the destruction of the new temple in 70 AD. That is too huge an event for the Jews to not be referenced if the gospels came after.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:55 pm to Gaggle
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Lot of folks who knew Jesus personally allowed themselves to be tortured to death rather than renounce he was God.
What comes around goes around. Probably will be happening quite a bit during tribulation. Heck, happening now in places like China.
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