re: St. George Movement is Back!

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Yes, and I believe it would be an even tougher battle than creating the city

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Yes, I'd tend to agree with you. It shouldn't be that way, but knowing the politics involved, it probably will be.

It's not white flight, necessarily. It's, I'm sick and tired of paying %10 sales tax, but not seeing a return vis-a-vis, schools, crime, political dumb-assedry, sky high property values in the few safe neighborhoods, etc. so I'm taking my family somewhere better flight.

Now, because the majority of the folks that care enough to GTFO or have the financial ability to do so are white, is just happenstance.

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No, actually way up, according to one economic study. The StG folks had one done, but the company that did it included tax revenue generated from the North BR industrial area. The study concluded that no increase in property taxes would be needed. However, Faulk & Winkler did another study without that glaring error, and they concluded that the only way for StG to fulfill its promises was to institute a drastic increase in property taxes. Naturally, the StG folks rejected this conclusion and stood by the study that they paid for.

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You are mixing apples and oranges.

The apple is the city of St. George. Property taxes are not a big deal, sales taxes are.

The orange is an ISD and yes there are concerns that property taxes in an ISD (not the city) would have to be raised to support a capital campaign for schools.

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If they have a small chance of creating a school district and even if they do get one, it won't be for a long, long time, then I don't feel like it is worth it.

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Let the SG people prove their case. The school is one factor, but they need to show that the people in their newly carved out area that they will be better served by SG the city and by being in an unincorporated area.

IMHO, that's job one.

anyone have an image of the original map from 2 years ago for comparison?

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That's a big part of what closed Redemptorist.

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And Bethany Christian School in Baker.

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here are inequities out there that contribute to the failure of EBR, but what is never addressed in the inequity conversation on his side is the fact that so many are self-inflicted.

Don't blame the system for your failure because you didn't take your own education serious when you went through.

Quit having kids as teens.
Quit having kids in unstable home environments.
Take responsibility for your own child's education; don't rely on the system.

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Motha Frickin this.

Most people who criticize the schools haven't stepped into one since their student days. I used to substitute in EBR. The absolute #1 problem is that a big chunk of students not only don't give the slightest shite about their education, they're going to disrupt the few students actually attempting to improve themselves. I don't care if the admin is perfect, the teachers are perfect, and the classrooms are perfect, etc - it ultimately comes down to the individual students. Maybe that ancient saying "You get out what you put in" actually means something? OLD PEOPLE FTW!!!!

All they would have to do to end this is go back to neighborhood schools. Get rid of magnet schools and have gifted or advanced AP classes at each school and start building from there.

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Most people who criticize the schools haven't stepped into one since their student days. I used to substitute in EBR. The absolute #1 problem is that a big chunk of students not only don't give the slightest shite about their education, they're going to disrupt the few students actually attempting to improve themselves. I don't care if the admin is perfect, the teachers are perfect, and the classrooms are perfect, etc - it ultimately comes down to the individual students.

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WHich is exactly why i say, why would i take my kid out of St. George, MBS or PBS, and send them to Woodlawn simply b/c it's run by St. Goerge instead of EBR? are you going to take the shithead students out of the school, b/c if not, nothing will change.

I don't want my kid going to school with trash, whether they are black or white. Hell i moved from Livingston to BR b/c i didn't want my kids going to the public schools over there, and that's supposedly the good schools.

As i said before, unless you can open a new school, that has clear boundaries to ensure only the kids i'd like my kids to be around in school will attend that school, then this new St. George is pointless. I want my kids to go to a school with other kids who's parents actually give a shite about their kids education, and the school has no problem telling the shithead kid to hit the road. If there was a school where it was only kids from Santa Maria, CCL, Woodridge/Briarwood, and the surrounding area of those 3 large neighborhoods, then i'd seriously consider it.

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WHich is exactly why i say, why would i take my kid out of St. George, MBS or PBS, and send them to Woodlawn simply b/c it's run by St. Goerge instead of EBR? are you going to take the shithead students out of the school, b/c if not, nothing will change.

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You wouldn't unless they had demonstrated to you that their schools were equal or better.

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I don't want my kid going to school with trash, whether they are black or white. Hell i moved from Livingston to BR b/c i didn't want my kids going to the public schools over there, and that's supposedly the good schools.

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Most would agree with you, and take this seriously.

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As i said before, unless you can open a new school, that has clear boundaries to ensure only the kids i'd like my kids to be around in school will attend that school, then this new St. George is pointless. I want my kids to go to a school with other kids who's parents actually give a shite about their kids education, and the school has no problem telling the shithead kid to hit the road. If there was a school where it was only kids from Santa Maria, CCL, Woodridge/Briarwood, and the surrounding area of those 3 large neighborhoods, then i'd seriously consider it.

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The proof is in the pudding, but don't think all the private schools have nothing but angels either. They don't; however, the administration will weed the bad types out in a hurry.