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Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:18 am to bamabkj
The world looks at the outside, God looks at the inside. It depends on their standing with Jesus at the time of death.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:19 am to Pvt Hudson
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There was no free will for his victims.
Sure there was.
Are you suggesting that the only way God can exist is in the absence of suffering?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:20 am to pwejr88
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The world looks at the outside, God looks at the inside. It depends on their standing with Jesus at the time of death
That’s what I was taught growing up. You can confess and repent and seek reconciliation all you want, but if you don’t actually mean it, it’s just an empty gesture.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:20 am to Brodie Lee 37
quote:Prove to me that you haven't.
Yes. But there is no Jesus
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:23 am to Pvt Hudson
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There was no free will for his victims.
I don' think you understand free will.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:24 am to HempHead
People who have had near death experiences report 'The Judgement' is feeling how your actions were felt by the other person so in theory a serial killer would experience the fear/pain he inflicted on his victims from their point of view in front of God but also that yes, bc of his death bed confession I would hope God could forgive him bc we have all fallen short (I'm assuming God is real for this post)
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:29 am to HempHead
I'm not a dirty Calvinist, but predestination is hard to remove from the Bible and it's hard to eliminate in the consideration of an all-knowing and all-powerful Deity.
Ultimately, there is such a thing as "the elect." It is up to us to make sure we are part of that group. It is up to God to regenerate "whosoever will."
Yes, there is always a chance for salvation as long as you are still breathing.
Ultimately, there is such a thing as "the elect." It is up to us to make sure we are part of that group. It is up to God to regenerate "whosoever will."
Yes, there is always a chance for salvation as long as you are still breathing.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:31 am to HabaneroBuck
If predetermination is real, then we really are living in a simulation. I guess I'd just prefer to think that I have agency in my decisions.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:32 am to Brodie Lee 37
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Can anyone prove to me there was a Jesus or heaven.
He’s at least as real as the guy you took your username from. Where do you think that fellow is today?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:34 am to bamabkj
You are looking at it wrong. You can repent all you want but God knows if you are truly remorse. If you truly accept Jesus as your savior and feel genuine remorse for your actions, you can be forgiven.
It isn’t about you just praying and saying your sorry. It is not an image or an action you do, it is a feeling and a belief that you feel inside you. That is the beauty of Jesus and what he did for us. You have to climb that mountain by yourself and it is done within you, not for images and show.
It isn’t about you just praying and saying your sorry. It is not an image or an action you do, it is a feeling and a belief that you feel inside you. That is the beauty of Jesus and what he did for us. You have to climb that mountain by yourself and it is done within you, not for images and show.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:34 am to bamabkj
I’m gonna get downvoted to hell likely but I believe it.
The church I grew up in did a lot of work in Angola and I’ve seen a lot of pretty amazing redemption stories come out of it. Our God is supposed to be of unfailing love and scriptures state Christ gave his life so all might be saved. If that doesn’t mean those that have murdered than that doesn’t really mean everyone does it?
The church I grew up in did a lot of work in Angola and I’ve seen a lot of pretty amazing redemption stories come out of it. Our God is supposed to be of unfailing love and scriptures state Christ gave his life so all might be saved. If that doesn’t mean those that have murdered than that doesn’t really mean everyone does it?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:37 am to Brodie Lee 37
quote:if you want to argue whether or not Jesus is who he’s said to be in the Bible I’ll disagree but won’t stop you. There’s historical proof that Jesus the man existed though.
Can anyone prove to me there was a Jesus
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:47 am to bamabkj
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I have a hard time believing/accepting that you can murder multiple people, be a bad person all your life and just repent before death and still get in the pearly gates. The Bible says he will but it defeats the whole purpose of encouraging good morals/ actions for life if you can escape the consequences right before the end.
This suggests a misunderstanding of the holiness of God. No one can enter heaven unless they are absolutely sinless. The smallest lie is sufficient to condemn anyone to death and eternal separation from God. In fact, we’re all born into sin through Adam. It’s a hopeless situation on our own.
Since God’s holy nature demands death as the payment for sin, but his love for us continues still, Jesus left heaven to be born as a man, lived a sinless life and became a substitution for us on the cross for the payment we owe for our sin. His payment is credited to each of us if we repent and trust in Him for salvation.
God doesn’t grade sinners as better or worse than others. It’s an all or nothing situation for us. Anyone who thinks that what Jesus did was only enough for their “milder” sins but insufficient to save a serial killer should reconsider whether they have actually recognized that all sin is the same to God. So many people mistakenly think that if they are “good enough” (i.e. better, in their own mind than some worse sinner) that they can earn their way into Heaven. None of us can earn our way in because the requirement is perfection. God isn’t looking for you to be good enough to get into his heaven. He’s looking for you to trust what he did on the cross.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:49 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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His payment is credited to each of us if we repent and trust in Him for salvation.
Do all non-Christians go to hell?
it seems that many people with a similar mindset as you really do not like to answer this question.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 8:55 am to Brodie Lee 37
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Can anyone prove to me there was a Jesus or heaven.
“The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as of all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all there is.”
-Albert Einstein 1932
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:19 am to HempHead
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Josephus Flavius, a Jew who became a favorite of the Roman emperor, specifically speaks of a Jesus when making contemporary accounts of the history of Judea. The historicity of Jesus is fairly solid.
Sorry, but no it is not. Solid for those that want to believe maybe, but not at all for those that want actual evidence. Flavius's writings are the earliest known by a non-Christian around 64 A.D. That would be 64 years after the death of Jesus. And the Gospels that were written by Christians were at least 25 years after death. Which leads to many questioning why so long after? Roman and Greek historians were keeping very accurate historical records for 1000 years before Jesus's time, yet there are zero records of Jesus found in historical records during the time it is claimed he was alive. This leads many to question the work of Flavius as nothing more than works of forgery by the church in the 3rd or 4th century to attempt to create some historical legitimacy of the story. Faith in the story is up to you the individual, but actual evidence the man walked on this earth...not solid at all.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:19 am to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:If he is all powerful, why does he require anything to be able to forgive? It seems like he could just forgive. Also it’s his universe, so why is there sin or evil at all? We didn’t ask to be born into sin, so why are we expected to have to do XYZ in order to not be punished?
Since God’s holy nature demands death as the payment for sin
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:20 am to Brodie Lee 37
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Brodie Lee 37
To be an atheist is one thing. To thump your chest about it to make sure everyone knows about it is a little troubling. I suggest you join a social fraternity in a few years when you go to college and make a few friends. It may help. Good luck and happy new year.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:21 am to bamabkj
Not really up to us, but fun to speculate. If we accept the premise that God is all knowing and omnipotent, we must shed the assumption that God thinks and behaves like man. The Bible says many times that our attempts to consider God’s plans are like an ant thinking like a man.
I guess we will all figure it out, right or wrong, when we cross the rainbow bridge.
I guess we will all figure it out, right or wrong, when we cross the rainbow bridge.
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