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re: Spain: doctors struggle to cope as 514 die from the Covid-19 in the past 24hrs.

Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:05 pm to
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Explain germany


I read somewhere on TD (so probably fake news) that they are taking the opposite approach of Italy and are classifying covid + deaths as anything else they could link it to. Like we know that covid kills people with underlying health issues at a much higher rate so Germany is attributing those deaths to the underlying health issues and not covid
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:05 pm to
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good thing we have Trump


It’s going to just magically disappear y’all.
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:08 pm to
The only reason I’m skeptical about that is because that sounds like something the Italians would do
Posted by Chuck Barris
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:10 pm to
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It’s going to just magically disappear y’all.
It actually will just magically disappear in the next four months, just like everyone in your family over age 65 or with a compromised immune system.
Posted by VaeVictus
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:11 pm to
Technically, this is true.

Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:12 pm to
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just like everyone in your family over age 65 or with a compromised immune system.


I bet you honestly believe that
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:15 pm to
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The US healthcare superiority myth is about to rock some people’s worlds.


Myth?

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worlds. That somehow we aren’t just automatically better than a nationalized health service


You sure about that?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:23 pm to
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I read somewhere on TD (so probably fake news) that they are taking the opposite approach of Italy and are classifying covid + deaths as anything else they could link it to. Like we know that covid kills people with underlying health issues at a much higher rate so Germany is attributing those deaths to the underlying health issues and not covid

i've said i believe this is what Japan is doing 100%

maybe they'll be more honest now that there are no olympics to save
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:30 pm to
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i've said i believe this is what Japan is doing 100% maybe they'll be more honest now that there are no olympics to save


Yes, and Baton Rouge’s murder rate is so high because they’re the only ones who are honest about it
Posted by Sao
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:34 pm to
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Idk dude you’re the one claiming USA is funding the stats



Doesn't take much of a MENSA to know the testing frequency of a place like Italy vs. America is night and day. What are you driving at?
Posted by Sao
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:36 pm to
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I read somewhere on TD (so probably fake news) that they are taking the opposite approach of Italy and are classifying covid + deaths as anything else they could link it to. Like we know that covid kills people with underlying health issues at a much higher rate so Germany is attributing those deaths to the underlying health issues and not covid



Which is exactly what we are doing, no question. There is no GD way anyone wants the USA to lead a list. No one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:39 pm to
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Yes, and Baton Rouge’s murder rate is so high because they’re the only ones who are honest about it


Funny you bring up murder rate and Japan

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Police discourage autopsies that might reveal a higher homicide rate in their jurisdiction, and pressure doctors to attribute unnatural deaths to health reasons, usually heart failure, the group alleges. Odds are, it says, that people are getting away with murder in Japan, a country that officially claims one of the lowest per capita homicide rates in the world.

“You can commit a perfect murder in Japan because the body is not likely to be examined,” says Hiromasa Saikawa, a former member of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police security and intelligence division. He says senior police officers are “obsessed with statistics because that’s how you get promotions,” and strive to reduce the number of criminal cases as much as possible to keep their almost perfect solution rate.


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In the West, autopsies are performed to determine the cause of death. That is one reason the autopsy rate for people who die in hospitals has fallen in most Western countries: Improved medical diagnostics has removed much of the uncertainty about why a patient died.

But in Japan, investigations are not as concerned with uncovering the cause of death as with whether a crime has been committed. Without obvious signs of homicide, police are less likely to ask for an autopsy.

That applies to investigations of apparent suicides.

guess what Japan has a frick ton of: suicides
Posted by VABuckeye
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:40 pm to
Germans hiding deaths in Germany? Shocking I say!
Posted by MF Doom
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Member since Oct 2008
12047 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:42 pm to
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Doesn't take much of a MENSA to know the testing frequency of a place like Italy vs. America is night and day. What are you driving at?


You’re complaining that USA is fudging the stats but won’t explain why Germany’s death rate is so low



And you cry about Q truthers lol
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:43 pm to
Damn dude I i was just trying to take a shot at the red stick
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:44 pm to
Germany lacks a southern coast and a large Chinese population, i believe. they're also very organized, disciplined, and put society over the individual (like SK). Germany and SK are outliers.
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 4:50 pm to
Not sure how that explains the infected to deaths ratios


They have the fifth most cases (32000) and only 157 deaths
Posted by fr33manator
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Member since Oct 2010
135038 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:19 pm to
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crematoriums in and around the capital struggling to keep pace,




Germany twists its moustache.

“Maybe vee cun help vith zat”

This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 6:03 pm
Posted by OldManRiver
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2005
7722 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:33 pm to
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Which is exactly what we are doing, no question. There is no GD way anyone wants the USA to lead a list. No one.

Then somewhere, or many somewheres if you believe this is systemic across the country, there should be an abnormal # of deaths. Do you believe this is being kept quiet all over the country somehow?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175703 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 5:39 pm to
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Louisiana does none of those things and we are getting a ton of cases


NOLA has a number of multi generational homes. Probably not to the extent those countries do by any stretch but probably more than most cities.
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