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re: Southern Law Grads: Apply or Re-take the LSAT?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:54 am to CSATiger
Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:54 am to CSATiger
Also, COL is significantly lower in Athens than BR.
Maybe things have changed in the last couple of years now that like 10 new mega luxury appt complexes have opened up around LSU, but when I went through UGA, the price you paid for a below average/dump around LSU got you an above average/top tier place around UGA.
Unbelievable the difference in price for housing.
Maybe things have changed in the last couple of years now that like 10 new mega luxury appt complexes have opened up around LSU, but when I went through UGA, the price you paid for a below average/dump around LSU got you an above average/top tier place around UGA.
Unbelievable the difference in price for housing.
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 10:56 am to SabiDojo
My experiences come from being from Louisiana and going to school at Tulane. In my experience there is a pretty significant hometown bent in the NOLA legal market. Maybe being from LA and going to LSU undergrad is enough to get you over that hump, but I don't think most firms in NOLA are going to fall all over themselves to hire a UGA/Bama grad.
There are quite a few Ivy League kids that are/were flooding NOLA when I was coming out of school, so even with a UGA degree you aren't necessarily going to be the best out of state applicant.
Not saying you can't get a job with one of those degrees, they are certainly good law schools, but I'm just not sure it's worth paying out of state to either if you are only going to end up back in BR/NOLA.
I picked Tulane because I wanted to go out state and it lead me to be in houston, so you never know where you will wind up after graduation.
There are quite a few Ivy League kids that are/were flooding NOLA when I was coming out of school, so even with a UGA degree you aren't necessarily going to be the best out of state applicant.
Not saying you can't get a job with one of those degrees, they are certainly good law schools, but I'm just not sure it's worth paying out of state to either if you are only going to end up back in BR/NOLA.
I picked Tulane because I wanted to go out state and it lead me to be in houston, so you never know where you will wind up after graduation.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:00 am to CorporateTiger
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There are quite a few Ivy League kids that are/were flooding NOLA when I was coming out of school, so even with a UGA degree you aren't necessarily going to be the best out of state applicant.
It was a shock to me to see how many Ivy grads practice in NOLA given the size of the market. Don't underestimate dat cultcha baw.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:03 am to CorporateTiger
Honestly the only advantage I hear in New Orleans some people get is that they went to some private school and have family connections. Just like anywhere. Yeah, the Ivy kids will get dibs but don't think big-time law firms put LSU grads in the same boat as grads from Alabama, UH, and Vanderbilt.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:05 am to King Teal
If Southern is the only place you can get into Law school, I wouldn't go to Law school
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:07 am to King Teal
what did he get
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:08 am to SabiDojo
Having a connection to LA is definitely a material advantage in NOLA.
Just off a quick google, Non-resident tuition at UGA is 39k. Is that really going to pay off if you just come back to a market where LSU grads get hired on a regular basis?
Just off a quick google, Non-resident tuition at UGA is 39k. Is that really going to pay off if you just come back to a market where LSU grads get hired on a regular basis?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:11 am to SabiDojo
quote:Not sure if you went there, but LSU Law has a special place in Louisiana, and that's generally why people want to go there above any other school in LA.
Honestly the only advantage I hear in New Orleans some people get is that they went to some private school and have family connections. Just like anywhere. Yeah, the Ivy kids will get dibs but don't think big-time law firms put LSU grads in the same boat as grads from Alabama, UH, and Vanderbilt.
As far as having a fulfilling career as a Louisiana attorney, a law degree from LSU will be hard to beat, and is the best law school in Louisiana for a lot more reasons than US News rankings.
If you chose to go to LSU but planned on leaving Louisiana after, you're a fool. If you want to be a Louisiana lawyer, you want to go to LSU first and foremost.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:14 am to CorporateTiger
Dude, I went the cheap route. I went to the school that gave me an out-of-state, full ride scholarship. Yeah, it's nice to have those savings down the road, but there are consequences to it.
Cost of money should be a consideration, but it SHOULD NOT be the ultimate consideration.
I think getting into the best possible law school is paramount. If you can get into a school that is 50 spots higher than LSU, do it.
Cost of money should be a consideration, but it SHOULD NOT be the ultimate consideration.
I think getting into the best possible law school is paramount. If you can get into a school that is 50 spots higher than LSU, do it.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:20 am to SabiDojo
A lot of people go into law school thinking they are 100% for sure going to practice in State X, but then get a job offer/meet someone/life generally leads them to State Y. For that reason alone, I tend to agree that going to the best law school you can get into is the correct move. But that said, IF you are really dead set on practicing in Louisiana, LSU is a solid education and a fantastic value.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:21 am to SabiDojo
I would disagree, but that is just a reflection of perceived priorities. UGA and Bama would open a lot broader set of opportunities. If those are beneficial to you, then go for it.
Going to a better school (and presumably falling down the class rankings) only to go to a market where you can get your law degree for cheap doesn't make sense to me.
I took the best ranking to (post-scholarship) tuition available to me. Ultimately reducing the cost of my legal education has been much more valuable to me than any higher ranked school would have been. Of course it didn't hurt that firms in Houston are (or were( paying associates on a New York salary basis.
Going to a better school (and presumably falling down the class rankings) only to go to a market where you can get your law degree for cheap doesn't make sense to me.
I took the best ranking to (post-scholarship) tuition available to me. Ultimately reducing the cost of my legal education has been much more valuable to me than any higher ranked school would have been. Of course it didn't hurt that firms in Houston are (or were( paying associates on a New York salary basis.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:29 am to CorporateTiger
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Queue more anecdotal stories about someone's friend who went to SULC and is now making baller money. Almost non of which are true and those that are true aren't the whole story (i.e. Family connection coming through)
After the revelation you attended Tulane - with a 2016 tuition of $52,554 - this is just hilarious. Here's some anecdotal stories about someone's friends (mine) who went to Tulane: one works for Legal Services for $33k/year, another works for the Juvenile Court for ~$40k/year, another is a Deputy City Attorney for $47k, another does PI work because her goal of righting injustices didn't pay the note on her $150k in loans.
All that for the 50th ranked school in the country.
But yeah Southern, with its $13,560 tuition, is the dumb choice. The classmates I've kept up with - generally the 40% who passed the bar the first time - are mostly doing well at smaller practices or government jobs, with minimal loans to repay. Then again, most of my connections are with fellow evening division grads.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:32 am to King Teal
With a 143 LSAT, one should run (not walk) from law school.
You cannot get in anywhere decent with that score and you will incur a mountain of debt for a 3rd/4th tier school.
You cannot get in anywhere decent with that score and you will incur a mountain of debt for a 3rd/4th tier school.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:35 am to GaryMyMan
I can easily counter that with friends who are in biglaw in NOLA or elsewhere earning at the top end of the profession (as far as reliable income). If you honestly think going to a bottom ranked school where you have a 41% chance to pass your home state's bar and won't get a look from any reputable firm in your own backyard is a good idea then good luck.
Some percentage of people are going to frick up coming out of any law school. Even Haaaavard and Yale have kids who end up at PD's offices (see NOLA again). You have a much better chance at getting a worthwhile job out of Tulane than you do out of SULC.
Also I haven't recommended, even once, someone go to Tulane. It worked out very well for me, but there are generally better options based around picking a geographic area to focus on. UGA/Bama and focusing on big sun belt markets is a better decision.
Some percentage of people are going to frick up coming out of any law school. Even Haaaavard and Yale have kids who end up at PD's offices (see NOLA again). You have a much better chance at getting a worthwhile job out of Tulane than you do out of SULC.
Also I haven't recommended, even once, someone go to Tulane. It worked out very well for me, but there are generally better options based around picking a geographic area to focus on. UGA/Bama and focusing on big sun belt markets is a better decision.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:35 am to King Teal
Unless your friend absolutely tanked the LSAT, he will get in. Enrollment is down across the country so many schools are taking less qualified candidates, leaving third tier schools like SULaw to take what they can get.
That said, it's not a bad option if your friend just wants to hang his own sign right off the bat or already has work lined up. However, if he was a poor student and not doing well on the LSAT, he's likely not magically going to set the world on fire in law school.
That said, it's not a bad option if your friend just wants to hang his own sign right off the bat or already has work lined up. However, if he was a poor student and not doing well on the LSAT, he's likely not magically going to set the world on fire in law school.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:37 am to King Teal
Whose alter are you?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:38 am to CorporateTiger
I think we all agree someone who is lucky to get into Southern isn't exactly going to be working in a skyscraper on Canal Street.
Then again, if all you need is the right to sign your name to a Petition in a Louisiana District Court, or represent a Parish as an ADA, Southern will do just as fine as any other school in Louisiana or elsewhere.
Then again, if all you need is the right to sign your name to a Petition in a Louisiana District Court, or represent a Parish as an ADA, Southern will do just as fine as any other school in Louisiana or elsewhere.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:41 am to King Teal
The issue is again that there are just too many attorneys graduating even with admissions way down. Look at that post about Tulane and even a few Ivy League kids ending up in 40k per year jobs. Do you think they are going to take your "friend" from Southern on to do that work when you can pay a much more qualified candidate the same salary to do that work?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:44 am to studentsect
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but I don't think school attended has that large of an effect on the likelihood of an individual person passing the bar.
I dont have any problems with Southern, other than the way their students treated PMH like their personal dining room/hangout during finals. But your statement is patently incorrect and years of bar passage results confirm this.
Southern does not prepare their students well for taking the bar exam.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 11:44 am to King Teal
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Then again, if all you need is the right to sign your name to a Petition in a Louisiana District Court, or represent a Parish as an ADA, Southern will do just as fine as any other school in Louisiana or elsewhere.
If he wants to hang his own shingle or work for the state, SULC should be fine.
I don't regret going to SULC. I saved a lot of money, met a lot of great people, and drank a lot of alcohol. Am I just as capable as someone who graduated from LSU, yes. Did I miss a few job opportunities to LSU grads while in school? Maybe.
From what I've seen after being out practicing, it becomes less about the school and more about your work ethic.
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