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re: Solve this OT

Posted on 7/23/18 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 4:40 pm to
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TigerstuckinMS



Which side are you on in this whole Pan/Pam dilemma?
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 4:55 pm to
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Nah, there are only 2 possible gold balls remaining once you've chosen a gold ball.



True, but at least one of the two gold balls remaining is out of play (possibly both if you picked the gold ball from the mixed box).

Once you pick the first gold ball, your second pick is either 100% a gold ball or 100% a silver ball. The balls in the other box are inconsequential at this point.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 4:59 pm to
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Once you pick the first gold ball, your second pick is either 100% a gold ball or 100% a silver ball. The balls in the other box are inconsequential at this point.




I agree.

If we labeled the gold balls G1, G2, and G3, and the silver ball S1, what is the set of the possible outcomes for that second ball, given the fact we've picked a gold ball?
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:02 pm to
Either G1/G2 (whichever has not already been picked) or S1.
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:09 pm to
You are missing the point of labeling them G1 G2 and S1
Posted by X123F45
Dictated not Read
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:10 pm to
How the hell did this go 27 pages
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:12 pm to
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Which side are you on in this whole Pan/Pam dilemma?

The entire game is decided by which ball you pick first. The rules of the game dictate how the game will play out after you make your first choice and there is ZERO input for the player other than selecting one of 6 balls.

If you pick ball 1, you must also pick ball 2 and the game is over.
If you pick ball 2, you must also pick ball 1 and the game is over.
If you pick ball 3, you must also pick ball 4 and the game is over.
If you pick ball 4, you must also pick ball 3 and the game is over.
If you pick ball 5, you must also pick ball 6 and the game is over.
If you pick ball 6, you must also pick ball 5 and the game is over.

That's it.

Balls 1,2,3 are gold. Balls 4,5,6 are silver.

There are only three ways to pick a gold ball first, and that's to pick 1,2, or 3. This is what we are told. A gold ball HAS been chosen. Of the three ways that can happen, there are two ways that will result in a second gold ball being drawn and 1 way that will result in a silver ball.

Therefore, if you're playing the game and you're holding a gold ball after your first pick, there is a 2/3 probability your second ball will be gold.

That's it. Anything else is wrong. It's a simple matter of counting possible outcomes given the constraints of the problem. The OT can't count.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 5:29 pm
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:13 pm to
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You are missing the point of labeling them G1 G2 and S1
No he isn't. The labeling them misses the point that one or both are eliminated after the first selection.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:14 pm to
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The entire game is decided by which ball you pick first.
Bingo
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
21180 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:16 pm to
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Trick question, baw. This is the OT. We grab’em by the pussy, not the balls.


In case it hasn’t been covered in an earlier response, I prefer boxes to balls, although I prefer a box that doesn’t allow for easy entry with a hand, and certainly does not contain any balls. Have a great night everybody.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:20 pm to
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The entire game is decided by which ball you pick first.

Bingo


Then why stop at two outcomes. There is only one outcome after you've made your first selection according to that logic.

If all you know is that you've chosen a gold ball, the subset of possible pairs is G1, G2, and S1. You can't eliminate G1 or G2 unless you know which gold ball you have, and if you know which one you have, there is only one possible outcome.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:23 pm to
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There is only one outcome after you've made your first selection according to that logic
There is but one actual outcome, but it is one of 2 possibilities.

quote:

You can't eliminate G1 or G2 
You have already eliminated at least 1 and possibly both. Both aren't in play once a gold ball has been selected.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 5:24 pm
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:24 pm to
Christ, you two have been arguing all day over something you both agree is 66.67%.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:28 pm to
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Christ, you two have been arguing all day over something you both agree is 66.67%.


10+ pages of the exact same comments back and forth. No budging, yet no insults. It's been amusing.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:31 pm to
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No budging, yet no insults.

HEY! I insulted the entire OT.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:31 pm to
The problem with you solution is that it doesn't apply to the problem as stated. Your solution would only apply if all the remaining balls were in the same box and you were selecting. Then you would have 3 possibilities -2 gold and 1 silver.

Once a gold ball is eliminated and you have chosen a box, there no longer remains 3 possibilities.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 5:32 pm
Posted by InCaliForNow
Member since Mar 2014
568 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:35 pm to
P(A|B) = P( A ^ B) /P(B)

A = Probability Gold being the second coin chosen
B = Probability Gold being the first coin chosen
P (A ^ B) = 1/3 because that can only happen if you chose the box with two gold

P(B) = 1/3 + (1/3)*(1/2) = 1/3 + 1/6 = 2/6 + 1/6 = 3/6 = 1/2
P(A^B) (1/3)/(1/2) = (1/3) * 2 = 2/3
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 5:40 pm
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14974 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:10 pm to
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Your solution would only apply if all the remaining balls were in the same box and you were selecting.

They may as well be in the same box at that point. You don't know which box you took the gold from so all of the balls in the GG box and the GS box are still in play.
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
66985 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:12 pm to
Why is this 27 pages
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43069 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:12 pm to
There are six balls. You reach in and pick a gold ball.

Here is what you KNOW.

The box you pulled the ball from is not the box with two silver balls.

You know you have a gold ball, but you don't know if it came from the box with two gold balls or from the box with a gold and a silver ball.

Here's what you know about the ball left in the box you chose.

It can be a silver ball from the Gold ball/silver ball box
It can be a gold ball from the box with two gold balls

It can not be anything else. It can not be the gold ball from the gold ball silver ball box.

So here is the accounting

The remaining ball in the box you pulled the gold ball from
can not be either of the two silver balls that were in the same box.
It can not be the gold ball that was in the gold box, and it can not be the gold ball in your hand.

It can only be a silver ball or the gold ball that was in the box with two gold balls.

50/50 chance it's the gold one
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